Perth Mint - Silver Lunar Series 2 / 2008-2019

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ninteno

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Hi, i was not been here for years now.
I noticed that all my private messages do no longer exist. I had so many trades from germany to australia and i can not even remember.
So what i am interested in now is how the PM Series is doing over there in its homeland. Germany was one of the biggest import countrys and the hype from 2008-2015 was huge. After that time i would say it slowed down heavily. Until in 2019 i had to force myself buying the pig to complete the series.

Private sales over the last 5 years did not really generate premiums. Retail interest is slowing down to nearly zero.
After the silver price start moving in 2025 i noticed that Maples, Eagles, kKuegerrands etc are trading at higher.premiums than Lunar S2 in germany. Now after a half year i would say the dealers are more and more cleaned out and premiums in S2 are rising again.

Some.dealers still sitting on stock and calling ridicules prices. The 1oz Rabbit for example is no longer on the dealers market. On ebay you can still get some but sealed rolls of 20 are.gone.

Is it possible to get your hands on a full set of 12 sealed rolls in australis and how much do you think the premium would be. Is there still a market in australia or is the series equal to maples for example.

Thanks for your response and hopefully i read namens i can remember and was in contact with years ago
 
So i am a Perth local and have bought directly at the mint for many years and here is my take on it.

When i first started buying off the mint i wanted every silver bullion coin they released and have in my collection a few of the rolls you are talking about. It was a real novelty buying a 20 roll of lunars but even back then the premiums pretty quickly pushed me into just buying bullion bars or coins i took a shining to.
The few rolls that are around have stupidly high premiums on them that i doubt many are being sold at all. IMO there is nothing special about a 20 coin roll covered in heat shrink plastic.
There has always been a nice premium to be had selling a full set of single lunars to new collectors or those wanting a set so over the years many rolls have been split up to do exactly that.

I guess the novelty of silver bullion coins has worn off for me over the years as i collect other Australian numismatic coins and rolls and i view those as beautiful coins and view silver as a store of wealth hence buying only bullion bars.

TL;DR Yes they are around still but unless you have deep pockets and dont care about huge premiums steer clear, buy a complete set of single coins and enjoy those, spend the rest on bars.
 
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Similar slightly stale interest in general pm market including the lunars here over the last few years. Perth mint products still popular although recent price movements seem to have reawakened overall focus and interest in this area. Hopefully stronger spot pricing may bring more rolls to the market,

Specific pricing ? I haven’t kept up with recent pricing especially now with the spot price movements. May take a little while for premiums to stabilise. No doubt some good buying opportunities for the informed collector/reseller.

USA stacker member recently has a large selection & volume of coins including lunars. Priced in $US you would have to do the exchange rate calculation to your currency.
 
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ninteno said:
Hi, i was not been here for years now.
I noticed that all my private messages do no longer exist. I had so many trades from germany to australia and i can not even remember.
So what i am interested in now is how the PM Series is doing over there in its homeland. Germany was one of the biggest import countrys and the hype from 2008-2015 was huge. After that time i would say it slowed down heavily. Until in 2019 i had to force myself buying the pig to complete the series.

Private sales over the last 5 years did not really generate premiums. Retail interest is slowing down to nearly zero.
After the silver price start moving in 2025 i noticed that Maples, Eagles, kKuegerrands etc are trading at higher.premiums than Lunar S2 in germany. Now after a half year i would say the dealers are more and more cleaned out and premiums in S2 are rising again.

Some.dealers still sitting on stock and calling ridicules prices. The 1oz Rabbit for example is no longer on the dealers market. On ebay you can still get some but sealed rolls of 20 are.gone.

Is it possible to get your hands on a full set of 12 sealed rolls in australis and how much do you think the premium would be. Is there still a market in australia or is the series equal to maples for example.

Thanks for your response and hopefully i read namens i can remember and was in contact with years ago
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The rolls should still be out there. For example, I still have rolls of the s2 1oz mice, ox, tigers, dragons, snakes, horses and goats. I swapped some tigers to get the ox and dragon rolls. Up to mid 2015, I was buying sealed S2 boxes from Ainslie Bullion, holding for a year or two and then selling to Apmex and Provident. In 2015, the dealers changed their pricing and I stopped buying. Ironically, in America, the privvy coins weren't hot sellers, so I only bought a few of them. They seem to sell for more now.
 
I have a full set of S2 lunar 1oz ( Rolls x20 ) x12.
They exist, but I suspect are not on offer as price rises like we see currently have not been very conductive of "premium return"
Id expect that to change once prices stabilise around the 200DMA.

I did have some duplicates as purchaced in 2011/2012 with intents to swap over the years for the others...
Unfortunately dragons premium bombed out big time in the middle there and rabbits were the peak of the spike so only managed to swap for 3-4 rolls.

The last 4 were purchaced at fairly large premiums too after a rising-premium trade thread to get an idea of what people would actually sell for in the forum here.
( See: https://www.silverstackers.com/foru...erth-mint-lunar-bu-rolls.100278/#post-1199367 ) (Spot +40%)

Id expect to see in excess that kind of premium return on sales in the future.
At the moment though, perhaps (Silver 30DMA +40%) is more likely. (Current spot +25% : $142/oz)
 
I remember having to buy Lunar Dragon coins from Germany in 2012 so I could get hold of the special mintmark version. That was the peak of the mania; recent higher silver prices, previous demand for "dragon" lunar coins and increased mintages, Perth Mint going back and reminting all the Kookaburras to their mintage limits etc. In 2015 they started introducing milk-spots to their product line so I stopped buying in bulk and just went back to buying a few of each new release to give as gifts. Not sure what the current state of milk-spotting is as I stopped buying the Kangaroos.

The last roll I saw for sale was a fiasco, the buyer opened the roll, saw some of the coins were toned and wanted to return them all, which strangely the seller did.

Apparently 2025 was an anniversary for the Kookaburra coins and had a nice design so they sold very well. I have a Kookaburra for most years, no interest in completing the set when silver was $35 so certainly have no interest in doing it at current spot price.

I have no interest in the Lunar Cycle so haven't bothered with them. Koalas always looked too derpy for my tastes.
 
Just.. take the time to sell on secondary market, start at +50% if you want and lower till they are sold.

That is what i will be doing.
It takes longer, but it gives people who actually want them the opportunity to contact and discuss... rather than a sniper undercutting you or a coin dealer bartering with you for spot because they, just.. they do that...
Then sell for more than your starting price.
 
Dont worry if other members say too high or low.

Aurora el luna grilled me for undercutting but it was all about discovery... just be transparent thats what your doing and BET you, fair value finds your doorstep.
 
Azure said:
Dont worry if other members say too high or low.

Aurora el luna grilled me for undercutting but it was all about discovery... just be transparent thats what your doing and BET you, fair value finds your doorstep.
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true i had a 2010 10oz lunar tiger on my ebay watchlist for 3 years. horridly expensive back then at 700 and just 'pretty expensive' when i snapped it - seller held price static so like you've suggested working with a systematic margin process
 
perth mint went savage back in 2012/13.
They would also further cut off their nose by turning away from customers with statements like "bullion grade coins are not considered a premium investment so stop complaining about milk spots or buy proofs" or equivalent.

the quality is notably top class since the launch of SIII at least i havent noticed a spot, blemish or dodgy capsule.

As a side note i thought the bull was going to really kick off in 2024 year of dragon. but the horse is bolting in 2026 which seems fitting enough
 
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