Pensioners or centerlink recipients

Billythekid said:
1. Age pensioners deserve a raise. Most worked plenty of years to get it.

2. Did you know that when you go onto the disability pension you no longer have to show that you are looking for work (because supposedly you cant). I know a person who had a party to celebrate his rise to 'disabled' status. He was one of the people from point 3. below

3. In my line of work I have met 2 people that are on the disability pension because ........they cant read/write !!! You would think they would be given some lessons instead.

4. The more people the Govt. allows to be 'disabled' the better the unemployment stats look for the Govt.... because as disabled pension recipients they don't count as unemployed...

5. Regardless of the system there will always be people who will rort it (including the Govt).


Bill
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The only people that vote for Labor are the welfare recipients. That is why there are so many of them. Labor gives them what they want.

I don't classify the sick or infirm as welfare recipients by the way. I classify them as our responsibility. Anyone who takes welfare who is able bodied and able to work is stealing from the sick. Not that they care.
 
I want to go to Indonesia and come back on a boat, get a govt funded house and go on welfare get me some free medical. Pensioners, old age pensioners worked for 45 years and payed taxes and then get less help from the govt.
 
Newtosilver said:
I want to go to Indonesia and come back on a boat, get a govt funded house and go on welfare get me some free medical. Pensioners, old age pensioners worked for 45 years and payed taxes and then get less help from the govt.
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Funny how people that can afford a passport, a flight to Malaysia and around $10,000.00 for a boat berth are still making it into Australia by displacing those who are true refugees without any money or means at all. Money puts you to the top of the queue.
 
I dont doubt what you say is true and I aknowledge your personal experience and I know of soft cases who were granted DSP probably under much older criteria, is it contemperaneous, does it aknowledge efforts for reform, there is always a foil for any argument. Disability eligibility has been over hauled for better than 12 months now it is much stricter for new applications and I expect that the new criteria will be rolled back as disabilty recipients come up for their reviews, it is no push over to become a successful applicant. At the risk of becoming subjective I personally know many people who cannot get disability and they are seriously ill. For an example people who have HIV/AIDS do not automatically become recipients of the DSP even though the disease is chronic and frequently debilitating because there have been recent theraputic advances that can give periods of relative (subjective) good health they do not qualify immediately for DSP. The psychiatrically ill no longer immediately qualify because of (subjective) new drug interventions may make someone potentially employable for anywhere from 2 weeks to a few months they are not eligible and so on. A lifetime friend is on life threatening (fluctuating consciousness) levels of pain medication and has been for 12 months he has been unsuccessful twice in his application because they are waiting for the results of future back surgery which is still perhaps 12 months away, you see because there is a possibilty of a return to work within a two year period IF the surgery is a success,he is a mid 30's tradesman the nature of his accident/injury means there is no great compensation payday for him, he lives on $220 pw(thats his personal benefit) he has 3 children and a wife they would have an entitlement but i cant speculate on what that is. In my experience things are very very rarely as they seem. Figures do suggest a migration from the intractably unemployed to disability support payments. I believe there is a certain age group the government is letting gracefully migrate from DSP to the aged pension. I have paid my share of company tax and personal tax I dont begrudge a cent of it never wasted a moment thinking about it. I just say there but for the grace of god go I. Like the young people say,...Just Sayin
 
Billythekid said:
1. Age pensioners deserve a raise. Most worked plenty of years to get it.
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Oh crap! All these years I actually thought I was working for a living and to ensure myself a comfortable retirement!

If I had known I was working for a pension, I would have just gone on the dole! :P
 
Jonesy said:
The only people that vote for Labor are the welfare recipients. That is why there are so many of them. Labor gives them what they want.
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Socialist governments seem to want to take the welfare state and turn it from a safety net into a fishing net.
 
Newtosilver said:
I want to go to Indonesia and come back on a boat, get a govt funded house and go on welfare get me some free medical.
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What's stopping you?
 
Hectorthehero said:
I dont doubt what you say is true and I aknowledge your personal experience and I know of soft cases who were granted DSP probably under much older criteria, is it contemperaneous, does it aknowledge efforts for reform, there is always a foil for any argument. Disability eligibility has been over hauled for better than 12 months now it is much stricter for new applications and I expect that the new criteria will be rolled back as disabilty recipients come up for their reviews, it is no push over to become a successful applicant. At the risk of becoming subjective I personally know many people who cannot get disability and they are seriously ill. For an example people who have HIV/AIDS do not automatically become recipients of the DSP even though the disease is chronic and frequently debilitating because there have been recent theraputic advances that can give periods of relative (subjective) good health they do not qualify immediately for DSP. The psychiatrically ill no longer immediately qualify because of (subjective) new drug interventions may make someone potentially employable for anywhere from 2 weeks to a few months they are not eligible and so on. A lifetime friend is on life threatening (fluctuating consciousness) levels of pain medication and has been for 12 months he has been unsuccessful twice in his application because they are waiting for the results of future back surgery which is still perhaps 12 months away, you see because there is a possibilty of a return to work within a two year period IF the surgery is a success,he is a mid 30's tradesman the nature of his accident/injury means there is no great compensation payday for him, he lives on $220 pw(thats his personal benefit) he has 3 children and a wife they would have an entitlement but i cant speculate on what that is. In my experience things are very very rarely as they seem. Figures do suggest a migration from the intractably unemployed to disability support payments. I believe there is a certain age group the government is letting gracefully migrate from DSP to the aged pension. I have paid my share of company tax and personal tax I dont begrudge a cent of it never wasted a moment thinking about it. I just say there but for the grace of god go I. Like the young people say,...Just Sayin
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Hey Hector - not seen any of your posts before - consider this my welcome to Stackers opportunity!

While it was a bit of a mission reading through that post (are you using a phone? I get the same problem!) I completely agree with your post and that it is mightily frustrating.

On a side note, thank God there is new blood on this forum that is capable of coherently putting across a point. Regardless of whether I agree with someone's stance or not, its just bloody refreshing to read a well thought out and succinct post. I've been losing hope in the future of the forum recently!

Cheers! :D

RD
 
Thank you for the hearty welcome RD

No not a phone , am I missing something in the posting settings to get spacing?

I am not from Latin America, often get that with this tag, Hector MacDonald was a Scotsmen the son of a crofter "one of only a few British Army generals who rose from the ranks on his own merit and professionalism." Hector the Hero" is a

bagpipe lament.


I am a gold and silver stacker :) and I spend way too much time lurking around this veritable "horn of plenty" its been a wonderful resource that I have only relatively recently found.

There is much to do and see here, just like a carnival.


Heck, just call me Hec.

Thank you again,

Hec.
 
radiobirdman said:
auspm said:
radiobirdman said:
Yeah lets stop the aged pension and kick them out on the street to fend for themselves . cant have all them rich old people having a life can we .
maybe we could put them down if they dont have enough money to suvive there old age .and give there homes to the young families with kids because they deserve it more . What a bunch of arseholes
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I think you're missing the point radiobirdman.
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Probably more aimed at willrocks couldn't type quick enough .that said if you cant look after the old why would you look after anyone else

the oldies have done there time built this country and now some of you want to shaft them ,so you can have a tax break
the government would only waste any savings on something else ,where all going to be old one day and I want my 50 years of tax back.
you can give up your pensions if you dont want them
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Well that sums up my thoughts .... thanks birdman
 
The hardest thing to do when you are in the 40 to 50 years age group is to plan your retirement.

The main problem is the goal posts keep changing. Will Australia go down the same road as the USA? Most of SS members appear to me to believe that there are hard times ahead and that we in Australia have been very lucky here so far in escaping the financial crisis that has engulfed the world in general.

I have seen videos of people in the USA who thought that they had the ball at their feet when they got their 401k's.. $400,000 doesn't last long if it is costing you $50,000 a year to live the life you expect to live after retirement.. Everything was OK when you could get 5 % or 6% on your savings. Now you get 0%, it is a different ball game. Dreams of an easy retirement are gone and some who have far less have no choice but to work on to 70+.

Now there is talk in the USA of taking the 401k's into the government coffers and pay a small pension in return.

At least here on SS, a lot of members have their own SMSF and I feel so happy that they
have taken this step..However, the government changes the rules so often especially if there is a financial crisis and there is no certainty that the government of the day will do to balance the books.

Could you imagine the turmoil in Australia, if pensions were cut by 50%, interest rates went to 0%, wages were cut by 50% as well as all centerlink payments. Spending reduced, unemployment up and the middle class crushed.

Oh! thats right, its different in Australia..Yes it is different but for how much longer?. I hope that it is a lot, lot, lot longer..

Regards Errol 43
 
errol43 said:
Australia, if pensions were cut by 50%, interest rates went to 0%, wages were cut by 50% as well as all centerlink payments. Spending reduced, unemployment up and the middle class crushed.
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Well, it happened in the UK - only differences here being that Australia is a fairly sustainable country - the UK on the other hand relies upon outside trade to sustain itself, especially after destroying its own primary industry and agriculture in the space of 15 years.
 
Retirement in the USA. Problems for 401k's [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[/youtube]


Regards Errol 43

Sorry I've made a mistake :mad:
 
renovator said:
radiobirdman said:
auspm said:
I think you're missing the point radiobirdman.
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Probably more aimed at willrocks couldn't type quick enough .that said if you cant look after the old why would you look after anyone else

the oldies have done there time built this country and now some of you want to shaft them ,so you can have a tax break
the government would only waste any savings on something else ,where all going to be old one day and I want my 50 years of tax back.
you can give up your pensions if you dont want them
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Well that sums up my thoughts .... thanks birdman
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southerncross said:
Just to retouch on the supposed hypocrisy of Ayn Rand for receiving Govt Welfare , misunderstanding go's a long way towards wrong assumption's.

This was written by Rand several years before she started receiving said income.

It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the "right" to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own moneyand they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration.
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http://fvdb.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/the-left-smears-ayn-rand/
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It's almost ironic that after 6 pages of discussion on the issue you home in like a starving seagull to a chip to ride any coat tail that would cast condescension on any position I had.

How remarkable and original. :rolleyes:

Ironically, the assumption 'give up your pension' would assume there's a pension left to take when we are entitled to it.

Not sure if you're keeping score Reno, but the track record on Gen X/Y getting access to the 'benefits' given to their elders (mostly for free) when they become 'entitled' aint too crash hot in this country...

Not that I'd expect your hopelessly one eyed bias to view the situation any differently. Indeed, it's pretty much par for the course for you.

But I will say the older generations have done wonders in teaching the kids to fend for themselves now for how long?

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I am surprised your gen would have the audacity to come back cap in hand and ask the tax payer to continue bailing you out or that you'd actually be so arrogant as to contest the fact we might have an issue with it.

Fend for yourselves?

I wonder who taught the kids that...!?!?!
 
wrcmad said:
Billythekid said:
1. Age pensioners deserve a raise. Most worked plenty of years to get it.
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Oh crap! All these years I actually thought I was working for a living and to ensure myself a comfortable retirement!

If I had known I was working for a pension, I would have just gone on the dole! :P
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Even most Baby Boomers were migrated onto some sort of superannuation plan. I'm meaning the oldies, from back when the age pension was it as far as retirement $.

Bill
 
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