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damien192x

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So I bought $25,000 of silver from GoldSilver.Com..

I got an email today and I need to pay Australian Customs charges $ 2085.84 before 3pm today or it gets sent home

It kind of pisses me off. It's my fault and I should have done my research better. Just ranting.. what makes my blood boil even more is that they haven't even tried to call my mobile, they only sent me an email. If I didn't see this email today, it would have gone all the way back to the USA. I won't be buying from over there again, that's for sure. F my life.
 
They will find other taxes and insurance, holding costs to put on it, probally fumigate too lol.
I've been stung before over $1000, so many charges, its a joke.
But yeah that sucks mate.
 
pay by credit card
and if its a charge they were not entitled to ..do a chargeback :P
as above, gst imput on 999 silver or 9999 gold should be zero
 
As i understand it you should only be having to pay the $60 processing fee or whatever it is.
 
Actually, you should contact a customs broker if thats the case for gst on pure pm's.
If not at least contact customs and threaten them.
 
So I don't have to pay the amount?

Apparantly if I don't pay the 2k by 3pm they're sending it home. And yes it was all Silver.
 
damien192x said:
So I don't have to pay the amount?

Apparantly if I don't pay the 2k by 3pm they're sending it home. And yes it was all Silver.

http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page5350.asp


Section 40-100 - Precious metals
Under section 13-5 of A New Tax System (Goods and Services Tax) Act 1999 (the GST Act), you make a taxable importation if you import the goods for home consumption. However, the importation is not a taxable importation to the extent that it is a non-taxable importation.

An importation of precious metal will be a non-taxable importation if it would have been a supply that was GST-free or input tax if it had been a supply.

Unless the importations of precious metal meet the requirements below, they will be taxable importations.

GST-free supply

Under section 38-385 of the GST Act, the first supply of precious metals after its refining by the refiner, or on behalf of the supplier will only be GST-free if the recipient of the supply is a dealer in precious metals.

As defined under section 195-1 of the GST Act, precious metal means:

(a) gold (in an investment form) of at least 99.5% fineness; or

(b) silver (in an investment form) of at least 99.9% fineness; or

(c) platinum (in an investment form) of at least 99% fineness; or

(d) any other substance (in an investment form) specified in the regulations of a particular fineness specified in the regulations of at least 99.5% fineness.

No regulations have been made to specify any other substance.

To be precious metal for the purposes of GST, the metal must therefore be gold, silver or platinum.

A dealer in precious metal means an entity that satisfies the Commissioner that a principal part of carrying on its enterprise is the regular supply and acquisition of precious metal.

A refiner of precious metal means an entity that satisfies the Commissioner that it regularly converts or refines precious metal in carrying on its enterprise.

The expression 'in an investment form' means the metal must be in a physical form that is capable of being traded on the international market by entities which trade in such a market. Bullion coin is only traded in for the metal value at the prevailing spot price.

Input taxed supply

Section 40-100 of the GST Act provides that a supply of precious metal as defined in section 195-1 is input taxed. If a supply is input taxed, then no GST is payable on the supply, and there is no entitlement to an input tax credit for anything acquired or imported to make the supply.

Money and other things

Subsection 9-10(4) of the GST Act states that a supply does not include a supply of money unless the money is provided as consideration for a supply that is a supply of money.

Section 195-1 of the GST Act, defines money to include currency but does not include:

a collector's piece, or
an investment article, or
an item of numismatic interest, or
currency the market value of which exceeds its stated value as legal tender in the country of issue.
Money includes Australian and foreign currency notes and coins and a supply of these things do not constitute a supply where they are supplied as currency in the form of payment to discharge an obligation. It is a financial supply and input taxed as described in Sub-regulation 40-5.09 (3) item 9 of the GST Act.

Where money is supplied as an item of numismatic interest, collector's piece and investment article, this is a supply of goods and generally is a taxable supply where it satisfies section 9-5 of the GST Act. Where it satisfies the definition of precious metal, it is an input taxed supply.

Please refer to ATO GST ruling GSTR 2003/10: What is precious metal for the purposes of GST?

Just call them up and explain to them that it is a precious metal, and they must have overlooked the GST exemption. Easyily solved.
 
damien192x said:
So I bought $25,000 of silver from GoldSilver.Com..

I got an email today and I need to pay Australian Customs charges $ 2085.84 before 3pm today or it gets sent home

It kind of pisses me off. It's my fault and I should have done my research better. Just ranting.. what makes my blood boil even more is that they haven't even tried to call my mobile, they only sent me an email. If I didn't see this email today, it would have gone all the way back to the USA. I won't be buying from over there again, that's for sure. F my life.

I had this problem with a monster box last year.

Same Threat.... The end client opted to pay the GST and offset it against business GST.

Bought 5 more without a problem.

I Blame FedEx Customs agents who don't understand the rules for GST.

The truth is once they F it up, they don't like to back track.

There are a number of threads here related to this...
 
Captain Kookaburra said:
damien192x said:
So I bought $25,000 of silver from GoldSilver.Com..

I got an email today and I need to pay Australian Customs charges $ 2085.84 before 3pm today or it gets sent home

It kind of pisses me off. It's my fault and I should have done my research better. Just ranting.. what makes my blood boil even more is that they haven't even tried to call my mobile, they only sent me an email. If I didn't see this email today, it would have gone all the way back to the USA. I won't be buying from over there again, that's for sure. F my life.

I had this problem with a monster box last year.

Same Threat.... The end client opted to pay the GST and offset it against business GST.

Bought 5 more without a problem.

I Blame FedEx Customs agents who don't understand the rules for GST.

The truth is once they F it up, they don't like to back track.

There are a number of threads here related to this...


Couldn't you have just filled out a tax refund claim?
 
Well apparently since they are just the coins I have to pay GST, it's only for bullion. 'm just going to pay it now, or it's going back. Then I will work out whether I should or not
 
damien192x said:
Well apparently since they are just the coins I have to pay GST, it's only for bullion. 'm just going to pay it now, or it's going back. Then I will work out whether I should or not


Are they 99.9%?

If so, do what you said then fill out the tax refund claim thingy.
 
damien192x said:
Well apparently since they are just the coins I have to pay GST, it's only for bullion. 'm just going to pay it now, or it's going back. Then I will work out whether I should or not

Bollocks - assuming that you've imported ASEs, there's no GST assessable.

Try this thread for help:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/message-120035.html#p120035

Otherwise ring the ATO and ask how you claim back GST on what should have been a GST free purchase - I believe there is a process that can be followed.
 
Canadian Maples. I am assuming this doesn't change anything though? Spoken to about 13 different people and just keep getting stuffed around. It's this kind of thing that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, and seems to happen every single time I do anything.

Have paid the 2k now, now I have to ring the ATO
 
damien192x said:
Canadian Maples. I am assuming this doesn't change anything though? Spoken to about 13 different people and just keep getting stuffed around. It's this kind of thing that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, and seems to happen every single time I do anything.

Have paid the 2k now, now I have to ring the ATO

Maples are 99.99 so they are fine too.
 
damien192x said:
So I don't have to pay the amount?

Apparantly if I don't pay the 2k by 3pm they're sending it home. And yes it was all Silver.

You imported $25k of bullion without knowing whether you had to or had to not pay customs? Whoa
 
If it's coins just fill out an importation form(download from customs) and fax it too them, I imported coins a few months ago,.just put the right codes in and that's it plus fee.UPS seem to be the only ones that try,fedex suck.
 
if you pursue this long enough customs will eventually flip you the finger and tell you to get a private ruling from the ATO. once they have made a decision regardless of it's accuracy they wont change it.
 
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