[opinion] 2012 Singapore coin show proof panda

shibaji said:
I doubt 1oz will have any value difference - too less information so far to conclude. Only thing that is certain is the broken die version of 5oz has least mintage (225) out of 3 versions of 5oz. Looks like for both 5oz and 1oz the mint used at least three different dies with varying frosting pattern.
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fishball said:
I think that seller sold for a shyt price because he only ships to US...
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Listing says international shipping $25.

Prices for 1oz silver medal are all over the place.
 
low said:
fishball said:
I think that seller sold for a shyt price because he only ships to US...
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Listing says international shipping $25.

Prices for 1oz silver medal are all over the place.
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My eBay phone app sucks ... only show shipping to US only :P

But yes you are right the 1oz medal price is everywhere. 5oz with much more limited mintage is going to be more stable price-wise.
 
The seller doesn't tick the "worldwide shipping" but does offer international shipping.

Anyway this seller has few more for sale at $199 each.
 
You can buy 1oz medal for 190+shipping right now. That $650 buyer paid through the nose - probably a discrete event.

Even with 190+10 = 200 shipped, which PA sold for 175 a pop - the profit is marginal.
 
Seller is at loss selling for $200 shipped after ebay fees, paypal fees, time taken to photography, list, pack and post.
 
Maybe the seller got a wholesale discount price from PA...but still minimal profits. 5oz seems like a much better buy in retrospect as it is going solid > $600.
 
who knows................ that e bay seller is a pretty reputable panda guy............no idea why he is out there below cost ,he has it listed like it is the only one he has,he has not sold any.............................I doubt PA sold him at wholesale.... why create your own competition.beats me ,not a large volume of coins for sale ,the cheap guys selling for whatever reason will go away
 
The same guy also has the 1/2 oz gold medal for sale at 1998 - when PA price is 1995. This is really puzzling. The only reasonable explanation is probably PA sold these resellers at much lower price than retail customer like me. Otherwise - I dunno :-/
 
fishball said:
What do u guys think of the 1/2oz Gold from an investment point of view?
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Based on past history, I think it is ridiculously overpriced. Have a look at this list prepared by PA only: http://www.icontact-archive.com/bWoWyIETXH0pEj4mS4sWal_x-Gw_4yE9?w=1

Take any comparison point, for example, 1987 San Francisco Int'l Coin Expo - Panda 1 oz Gold Medal, with 1500 mintage has current fair market value of 2950. Compare this with the current offering, which has 2500 mintage, and 1/2 oz, but priced at 1995. So, an old coin, with double the gold amount, 60% of current mintage, commanding less price than a hot off the press coin - which is still selling at issue price.

Something has to give - either current 1/2 oz coin price will crash, or market will lift old ones price. Either way, the current one is probably a bad purchase. For that money, someone can purchase any of these old ones, and come out way ahead:

1987 San Francisco Int'l Coin Expo - Panda 1 oz Gold Medal 1500 $2950
1989 HK Coin Expo - Panda 1/2 oz Gold Medal 2500 $2500
1989 Munich Int'l Coin Expo - Panda 1/2 oz Gold Medal 1500 $1975
1990 Munich Int'l Coin Expo - Panda 1/2 oz Gold Medal 1500 $2000
1991 Munich Int'l Coin Expo - Panda 1/2 oz Gold Medal 1500 $1660
etc. etc.

IMHO :-)

P.S.: So, in short - I think it is not a good investment. :-P
 
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fishball said:
Ok will skip buying the 1/2oz... might pick up one of the other ones if I can find them.
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I was thinking the 30th anniversary gold is better buy.
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The 1oz? What price is it selling for and where to buy :D

Edit: Just saw the PandaAmerica poster thing... mintage 2000 on Munich silver 1oz pandas? I thought it was 2500 :/
 
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