[opinion] 2012 Singapore coin show proof panda

[Lim]

The 5oz was sold out so people who wanted to buy it was ask to leave behind their details .
Bought another 2 more 1 oz .
So in total i have 1-5oz and 4 1oz . A pity is that they cut the plastic package .

Sounds cool for people who bought 5oz.

Any idea why they ask people who want to buy to leave their details? Are they going to produce more?

One guy from goldclubasia leave behind his detail and was assured by the company that collection to be done in 2 week times at the local office in singapore .

well , i guess they did not see it coming that many people want that 5oz

 

[silverybay]

A little disappointed that I wasn't able to collect my 5oz pre-order panda at the fair. But was happy to have met Peter Anthony, Yennus and Lim in person.

 

[au_ag_miner]

2012 Singapore Coin Fair Panda has an additional significance - it is the year that 2 live pandas are on loan from China. No vested interest ... yet.

 

[Justfishin]

Sounds like maybe I shouldnt have cancelled that 5 oz ...

 

[yennus]

I have no interest in wasting time on mock replies, but some FACTS are:

If an American company designs and issues a medal the statement "issued by China" is obviously wrong, regardless of the actual mint. It's not a "Chinese medal" any more than an iPod is a "Chinese tablet computer".

Panda America has no special standing as a distrbutor, there are dozens of official distributors all over the world and it doesn't make any of them PRC companies.

What company sold for how many dollars or who has the most coins is completely irrelevant.

FACT: The Singapore Medal is an official Chinese Panda/Medal made by Shenzhen Guobao, and distributed by Panda America.

 

[yennus]

Yep, no more 5oz Pandas available at the show... but you can place a postal order for them.

Yep, was fantastic meeting Lim, SilveryBay and Panda Collector (and some of the Chinese Dealers from Shanghai)! Thanks Panda people!

Yep, Pandas are the main coin of the Coin Fair, but they do have a wide range other bullion and numismatic items.

I purchased my first 2 North Korean Silver coins... Panda designs of course [will get some pictures up at a later date hopefully]

I also purchased a 2010 Commemorative Panda at a BARGAIN price from a South Korean dealer!

I also purchased some stuff from the Israeli Mint. Very nice, but expensive.

Will try and write more later, with pics.

 

[mfm]

FACT: The Singapore Medal is an official Chinese Panda/Medal made by Shenzhen Guobao, and distributed by Panda America.

So the COA is signed by the governor of Peoples Bank of China (or some other Chinese official)?

 

[Teh silvers]

CHECK THIS OUT!!!!

120887479021

WOW

 

[25Grizzlies]

CHECK THIS OUT!!!!

120887479021

WOW

Ok it WILL be a good coin and looks FANTASTIC, granted, but that price is an absolute joke, I pity the fool who pays $1k for it... there's waaaay better Chinese coins for that kind of money. Where's the room left to move at that price? Gotta give the guy his dues for optimism, may as well strike now if he's gonna catch his whale. I'd like to own these medals one day but at those prices you can forget it.

Or has the 15 year gap between international fair coins really burst the dam and collectors having been starved of show medals are foaming at the mouth??? hmmm 2012 dragons didn't have the same reception and these medals are, somethings fishy... no offence fishball

Like anything in numis, time will tell though surely the latter is fairytale stuff.

For me I'd put that money towards a gold set, bimetallics, unicorns, lunars, munich medals etc etc ad infinitum or other any PROVEN series for that matter

The expo coin has a mintage of 10,000 which means it's NOT RARE OR SCARCE!!

On a lighter note great to hear you got to meet PA and others from the forum yennus, Panda party yeaaaahh

Hope you all left with plenty of jangling coins in pockets

 

[low]

On the positive side, we got to see the COA and the coin is issued by China Great Wall Coins Investments Ltd which is a subsidiary of CGCI.

It means this is official medal.

 

[Lim]

Haha...1 k ... Well it is not sold out at the fair for goodness sake ... Still can order at pa ...

 

[Lim]

Yep, no more 5oz Pandas available at the show... but you can place a postal order for them.

Yep, was fantastic meeting Lim, SilveryBay and Panda Collector (and some of the Chinese Dealers from Shanghai)! Thanks Panda people!

Yep, Pandas are the main coin of the Coin Fair, but they do have a wide range other bullion and numismatic items.

I purchased my first 2 North Korean Silver coins... Panda designs of course [will get some pictures up at a later date hopefully]

I also purchased a 2010 Commemorative Panda at a BARGAIN price from a South Korean dealer!

I also purchased some stuff from the Israeli Mint. Very nice, but expensive.

Will try and write more later, with pics.

Thanks for the 2000 panda ... And nice meeting u too ..
I know which stall u snipe the 2010 panda ... I am aiming the ox beside it ... The price is good ... Might pick it tml

 

[yennus]

HAhaha... yep, you know which stall the 2010 came from ... They have a couple more left, but I think (and hope) I took the best one ehehehe...

 

[comeaux]

On the positive side, we got to see the COA and the coin is issued by China Great Wall Coins Investments Ltd which is a subsidiary of CGCI.

It means this is official medal.

Thanks for that information low, we can always count on you for excellent information I'm sure there will still be a few posters here walking around with a stick in their butt in denial but some people are just eternally miserable. You are starting to be the "badon" of silver stackers !

I'm glad to see that the SS members got to meet up and that everyone had a great time. What an awesome coin expo to have attended. I wish I would have asked someone to get me a t-shirt

Yea time will tell if these medals skyrocket and although I only bought one I really hope they do do well for everyone to have good fortune, if not it's still a gorgeous medal to add to any collection.

Thor122 is lucky I'm an honest guy as he had me pick up four of these medals for him, I'm going to probably have a tear in my eye as I ship them off to him. I still think he is crazy to submit them for grading but hey maybe there is a 70 in the batch or at least few 69's so good luck to him as well.

 

[Thor122]

On the positive side, we got to see the COA and the coin is issued by China Great Wall Coins Investments Ltd which is a subsidiary of CGCI.

It means this is official medal.

Thanks for that information low, we can always count on you for excellent information I'm sure there will still be a few posters here walking around with a stick in their butt in denial but some people are just eternally miserable. You are starting to be the "badon" of silver stackers !

I'm glad to see that the SS members got to meet up and that everyone had a great time. What an awesome coin expo to have attended. I wish I would have asked someone to get me a t-shirt

Yea time will tell if these medals skyrocket and although I only bought one I really hope they do do well for everyone to have good fortune, if not it's still a gorgeous medal to add to any collection.

Thor122 is lucky I'm an honest guy as he had me pick up four of these medals for him, I'm going to probably have a tear in my eye as I ship them off to him. I still think he is crazy to submit them for grading but hey maybe there is a 70 in the batch or at least few 69's so good luck to him as well.

Yes. You are a very honest guy and a gentleman in the old style of the word.
You think pandamerica will take all the betters medals to submit to grading and the others to sell to the public. I dont know how in usa the dealers make business. But if is the normal in usa. I never will buy another coin from pandaamerica and this is bad for they business. I read a few post here for other dealers in australia makings preorders and after dont sending the coins to the people already paid to flip it in ebay. But i think the dealers will have the fast profit but in the long time they lost customers and future profits.

Im allways open to advises. Im very new in mcc and numismatics. I think i will make a experiment and all will see the results. Its a cheap price to pay to know the modus operandi of pandamerica.

 

[comeaux]

I honestly don't think Panda America would pull a stunt like that I have dealt with them on several occasions and never had issues. I actually spoke with Vince at PA two days ago and he said the medals should be in my hands within 10 to 14 days or hopefully sooner. If PA was sifting through coins picking the best ... I would have alot less MS69 gold pandas that I bought raw at PA.

Rest easy my friend I think the medals you get will be very nice if you decide you don't want them I'm sure they will be easy to get rid of I know a guy in Louisiana who would probably buy them from you

 

[Lim]

On the positive side, we got to see the COA and the coin is issued by China Great Wall Coins Investments Ltd which is a subsidiary of CGCI.

It means this is official medal.

Thanks for that information low, we can always count on you for excellent information I'm sure there will still be a few posters here walking around with a stick in their butt in denial but some people are just eternally miserable. You are starting to be the "badon" of silver stackers !

I'm glad to see that the SS members got to meet up and that everyone had a great time. What an awesome coin expo to have attended. I wish I would have asked someone to get me a t-shirt

Yea time will tell if these medals skyrocket and although I only bought one I really hope they do do well for everyone to have good fortune, if not it's still a gorgeous medal to add to any collection.

Thor122 is lucky I'm an honest guy as he had me pick up four of these medals for him, I'm going to probably have a tear in my eye as I ship them off to him. I still think he is crazy to submit them for grading but hey maybe there is a 70 in the batch or at least few 69's so good luck to him as well.

Did not see any expo shirt on sale ..

 

[mfm]

On the positive side, we got to see the COA and the coin is issued by China Great Wall Coins Investments Ltd which is a subsidiary of CGCI.

It means this is official medal.

Thanks for that information low, we can always count on you for excellent information I'm sure there will still be a few posters here walking around with a stick in their butt in denial but some people are just eternally miserable. You are starting to be the "badon" of silver stackers !

I'm glad to see that the SS members got to meet up and that everyone had a great time. What an awesome coin expo to have attended. I wish I would have asked someone to get me a t-shirt

Yea time will tell if these medals skyrocket and although I only bought one I really hope they do do well for everyone to have good fortune, if not it's still a gorgeous medal to add to any collection.

Thor122 is lucky I'm an honest guy as he had me pick up four of these medals for him, I'm going to probably have a tear in my eye as I ship them off to him. I still think he is crazy to submit them for grading but hey maybe there is a 70 in the batch or at least few 69's so good luck to him as well.

I questioned if it was an "official Chinese medal" since the information available didn't 100% confirm that.

I said that "if X then it's not official Chinese" and I asked who was the actual issuer, at the same time you and others didn't ask any questions or gave any useful information but just pushed the hype, gave incorrect reasons why it would be official Chinese and why it would be the best investment of the decade.

The information about the issuer was in the auction pictures, thanks low for looking at it. China Great Wall Coins Investments Ltd is located in Hong Kong but I guess it counts as China because of the CGCI affiliation (It also proves my point that Panda America is just another distributor that buys from China Great Wall Coins Investments in HK like every other distributor worldwide).

As for "official" I'm not so sure. It's Chinese and the official medal for the event, fine, but official medal of the PRC? Not really, for the reasons low gave earlier. Although, even without beeing legal tender I would accept a medal as official if it had the national emblem of the PRC.

I expect nothing better than ad hominem "arguments" on this forum any time I question any aspect of the panda hype or the numismatic guessing corporaton racket. The forum delivered as expected.

 

[silverybay]

Its a panda medal minted by China Shenzhen Guobao mint. I consider that good enough to qualify as an official Panda.

Any other Panda minted and issued outside of China, be it a legal tender coin or a commemorative medal, can never claim this status.

 

[25Grizzlies]

HAhaha... yep, you know which stall the 2010 came from ... They have a couple more left, but I think (and hope) I took the best one ehehehe...

Pandas are even more endangered when Yennus is about sniping!