News.com.au: Should you join the gold party

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Not at all surprised by the 'expert' responses of these four financial advisors about gold:

http://www.news.com.au/money/genera...-1226129457485?newscomautrack=news-newsfeed-6

AS gold surges to record highs, should investors rush out and buy the precious metal?

Gen Ys - Justine Davies
Clothes, appliances, cars, electronics: We tend to buy all these goods and most services as well when the prices are low.

When the stocktake sales are on, for example, or when there's a too-good-to-refuse deal on a group buying website.

So why is it that so many of us want to buy our investments when the prices are high? It's irrational.

Anyhow, on to gold and yes, it's at record highs. As Bruce points out, the price of gold has increased more than six-fold in the past decade.

Mind you, if you'd bought gold in 1980, you would have been waiting a long quarter of a century to recoup your money and that's not counting interest.

If you adjusted for inflation then even at current prices you'd still be way behind.

The thing with gold is that, unless you hand it over to a great jeweller, it's just a lump of metal. There's no potential for it to be anything other than it already is.

That's in contrast to investing in shares (where you are buying a slice of ownership of an ever-growing, ever-developing business) and property (where you are buying ownership of not just land and a building but also buying into a growing community).

In other words, shares and property are growth assets in every sense of the word. Sure, that growth can be negative sometimes, but that's simply a buying opportunity.

Shares and property both have the ability to adapt and take advantage of changing markets: to grow as a direct result of human endeavour. Plus they can both pay you a steady income stream along the way.

Gold? No. The price is outside your control, and there's no income. What a lump!

Justine Davies is a finance author with a decade of financial planning experience.

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Gen Xs - Bruce Brammall
For your special girl? Yes, definitely! Particularly if you think a gold necklace, bracelet or earrings will buy you a year's credit for upcoming misdemeanours.

That would be an awesome investment!

But I'm guessing that's not what the editor is asking. And, in any case, it's unlikely to buy a full year's forgiveness for stumbling home drunk, leaving toilet seats up or hesitating, even for a milli-second, on such questions as "does my bum look big in this?"

Buying gold as an investment? Hmmmm.

Gold is on one of the greatest bull runs in the history of ... people using bull runs to describe strong markets.

From less than US$300 an ounce in 2001, it recently topped $US1900 an ounce. Does that make it a good investment? If you bought it at $US300 and sold it now, yeah, I reckon you could call that a GREAT investment.

But the 10-year boom was preceded by a 10-year funk, where it went backwards.

With the usual warnings about "past performance being no indicator of future performance", where's it headed now?

I'm not going to try to kid you. I wouldn't have the foggiest. Clueless. (Now, if Alicia Silverstone wants me to buy her a gold anything, I'm in!)

Reading market experts' views on gold suggests both a bubble and that underlying demand will push it much higher.

But the same rules apply. Gold should only ever be a small portion of a diversified portfolio. Do proper research. Be aware that gold doesn't produce an income. Perhaps buy some quality gold miners rather than physical gold itself.

Bruce Brammall is the author of Debt Man Walking (debtman.com.au) and principal adviser with Castellan Financial Consulting.

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Boomers - Mark Bouris
People have been asking that question since the start of the global financial crisis, and gold has continued to go from record to record since.That's understandable given the level of uncertainty in the world, but buying something at or close to its high goes against the grain.

Let's leave the market risk out of it for a moment and focus on the asset itself. Apart from its unique properties as a metal, a large portion of the gold that's ever been mined is still in existence. As much as there are new finds from time to time it's a reasonable assumption that the supply side will be tight.

When investing, either by way of buying the physical commodity from somewhere such as the Perth Mint or a unit in an exchange-traded commodity fund, what you won't get is an income yield from the asset.

That means your upside needs to come purely from capital growth.

Sure, you might buy it now and sell it in 10 years for 30 per cent more, but you need to weigh the potential growth against the lack of dividend or interest return along the way.

Another way to get exposure to gold is to buy shares in a gold producing company such as Newcrest. After its takeover of Lihir Gold, it's a massive company that produces gold.

It's not an exact replication of the physical market but stocks such as Newcrest tend to rise and fall with the gold price and they do pay a dividend.

Back to that market risk. Before you take the plunge on either a gold stock, physical gold or an exchange-traded commodity fund, have a look at the price graph for the past five years. If you buy, make sure you're diversified elsewhere as well.

Mark Bouris is the executive chairman of wealth management and advice firm Yellow Brick Road.

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Retirees - Kerrin Falconer
Yellow gold, white gold, rose and pink gold. Nine, 14 and 24 carat.

Gold comes in many forms and many people love the jewellery form.

Athletes compete for gold medals. Kings and queens are crowned in it. Rivers of it flow from successful financial transactions. Pirates wore gold earrings. Sunken treasure had plenty of gold bullion. Coins were made of gold and retirees may well have a couple of gold fillings.

Gold has long held an allure as a sign of wealth and a safe haven in turbulent times. You can touch it, see it and feel it, but you can't eat gold.

For retirees, it is all about having sufficient income for everyday living and some extras. Yes, gold has increased in price dramatically to nearly $2000 an ounce.

As Bruce says, it is six times higher today than it was 10 years ago. But there is no income from this physical piece of metal.

It does not pay interest or a dividend on a regular basis.

There is no point in having all your investments in gold as there is no income stream on which to live.

Yes, you could sell a few bars here and there when you run short of money and need to gather some funds together.

But what happens if the market for gold drops, as it invariably will? If you had bought the gold now, you would be selling your assets at a reduced price.

It other words, it is too late to be buying it now. If you had wanted to own gold, you needed to have been buying it at $300 an ounce in 2001.

So to my mind, your gold buying should definitely be restricted to the jewellery form, preferably with a diamond or two attached.

Kerrin Falconer is a financial planner.
 
What they all omitted was "gold doesn't pay a trailing commission, so we won't recommend it".

Not the slightest hint of thought from any of them as to WHY gold has been appreciating in dollar terms.
 
doodlebug said:
And those four people are the reason why gold is nowhere remotely near a bubble.

Funny that one of them should be from an advisory company named Yellow Brick Road which is supposed to be a metaphor for the gold standard!
 
Not the slightest hint of thought from any of them as to WHY gold has been appreciating in dollar terms.

I'm doing my Adv. Dip in Financial Planning atm (looking at completing a Ba.Commerce next year) and this sort of pathetic blind-leading-the-blind thinking is what I am trying to avoid when I eventually enter the financial services industry. None of them even mentioned QE1 or 2, or that central banks in Thailand, Sth Korea, Mexico, etc + China, Russia et al all buying gold, or people like Peter Schiff and Mike Maloney.

(On a side note in my textbooks there are five official asset classes: cash, fixed interest, property, aust shares & intl shares, in that order from least risky to most. Nowhere is there any mention of gold or silver or even oil and other commodities, they kinda get filed away under 'alternative assets' alongside holiday timeshare arrangements and timber plantations :()
 
goldpelican said:
doodlebug said:
And those four people are the reason why gold is nowhere remotely near a bubble.

Funny that one of them should be from an advisory company named Yellow Brick Road which is supposed to be a metaphor for the gold standard!

A man seduced by the emerald city.

In the first book, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the walls are green, but the city itself is not. However, when they enter, everyone in the Emerald City is made to wear green-tinted eyeglasses; this is explained as an effort to protect their eyes from the "brightness and glory" of the city, but in effect makes everything appear green when it is, in fact, "no more green than any other city."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_City
 
I actually agree. Gold isn't an investment - it's mobey and it's an insurance policy/portfolio stabilizer. That doesn't mean it's useless and you should't have any though!
 
Gold doesn't pay dividends blah blah not a productive asset blah blah...

Do these people ever stop to wonder why gold is still traded as an asset? Yes, gold mining companies pay dividends but why do they mine gold in the first place if its such a crappy investment? Could it perhaps be due to a demand for gold? And what happens to the price of a scarce resource when there is a demand for it?
 
In the fallout from the recently concluded investigation into the financial services industry (thanks to the Storm Financial et al debacle) the Federal Government is about to implement strict rules on whom can call themselves a financial 'planner'. No more more 3-day courses anymore.

I didn't get the comment about 'real estate not being just about land but buying into an growing community'.

I mean, is there any way possible of heaping any more metaphors or consequence on top of the already teetering pile of critical importance that our real estate stock has become to the prosperity of this nation..is it at all possible?
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Big A.D. said:
Gold doesn't pay dividends blah blah not a productive asset blah blah...

Do these people ever stop to wonder why gold is still traded as an asset? Yes, gold mining companies pay dividends but why do they mine gold in the first place if its such a crappy investment? Could it perhaps be due to a demand for gold? And what happens to the price of a scarce resource when there is a demand for it?

A lot of people think that Gold is mostly used for accessories such as bracelets and industrial demand such as CPUs.

The bullion bars which we've seen are not something that registers with these people. They have probably never seen one in their life and never will because they are wired to think that Gold is a 'rich man metal' and they can't afford it.

Also they don't see Gold as an investment. Most people only know of a few investments and they are Property, Stocks/Shares/ASX related stuff, Term deposits and so on.

I think these financial planners are genuinely stupid / blind when it comes to the investment of Gold, pity the fools.
 
fishball said:
I think these financial planners are genuinely stupid / blind when it comes to the investment of Gold, pity the fools.

From my experience, they haven't been particularly astute when it comes to Property, Stocks/Shares/ASX related stuff, Term deposits and so on either.
 
A recurring theme that i see with those peoples advice is the one of 'income stream'. If you cant live off it, its no good

Looks like preserving your wealth has no place in financial planning anymore?

if they think gold is too expensive, i'd like their opinion on what the fair price of gold should be
 
What they fail to mention is, Gold is an asset that:

1) Cannot be created at will (takes real labour / effort / energy to extract)

2) Can be stored indefinitely and will not rust

3) It is a store of purchasing power (holding real value)

4) This is the crux of it all, it is no ones liability and has zero counter party risk.

5) It is portable whilst being a tiny asset, you can leave any time taking it with you. I remember reading 100 oz gold bought a house. You can take 3 kilos of gold with you any time on a runner.

Try doing the above with property, cash, shares, bonds, food. None of these will successfully satisfy all of the properties above. Every one of these asset classes they are pushing fails the above 5 points by at least 1 or more.

Gold and to a degree silver are the only forms of money. But more so on gold, because of its portability.

Slam
 
i love these articles, coz it means gold/silver is so far off from being in a bubble!

got to love the sheeple that read this and then buy stocks like Myers =D

"Nothing to see here people, keep moving along"
 
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