New Stacker tips

Dave

New Member
Hi guy's,

I'm totally new to collecting silver and other precious metals, and I just wanted a little more info or tips before I get in over my head.

What are things I should look out for?
When is a good time to sell or trade?
Where in NSW would I take items to sell or trade?

I've only got a few silver ingots and coins at the moment but I think I should tread carefully.

What are your opinions?

Thanks
Dave
 
I'm also new but I've jumped in head first (having uni work die has given me loads of motivation and time to procrastinate so I've spent days straight researching and learning).

Here's a few things I've learned:

look around before you buy! You would be amazed at how an identical item, even say 1kg bullion, which is a genuine commodity item, can have wildly varying prices. This week I've had quotes for 1kg pamp suisse bars from $720 down to $668 and you could pay even more on ebay. That $50 will really add up if you buy more than a couple bars and eats up the first 10% of your profits as prices rise. I've found the people here to be quite reasonable when it comes to buying and selling and in the end better to give your premium to a fellow stacker who might return the favour when it's time for you to sell than a faceless online store. Always good to find a couple local bullion stores who are helpful and reasonable though.


Be clear on what you want! Are you going after collectable or semi collectable items, or are you just trying to put ounces into your stack? It's Ok if it's a little of both (I'm doing a mix of both) but be clear before you start buying. If you are trying to buy bulk silver you will regret buying brand new rounds from the more popular and collectable mints. You will also find larger bars, usually .5kg and up carry smaller premiums than buying a pile of 1oz bars. There is nothing wrong with wanting coins or paying extra for new bars or bars that are new, look nice or are slightly collectable but make sure you are doing that because you have made a conscious decision and want that particular item for a good reason (liking the way something looks can be a good reason if it brings you joy) and not because you've haphazardly bought something on a whim.

If your going to buy some of the semi collectable coins, do some reading and don't be afraid to ask questions! I've found the people here to be very friendly and extremely helpful and I made a few minor mistakes that I could have avoided if I'd asked before I spent my money. Even if it'as basic as "is there a reason I shouldn't do this? ", particularly if your about to make a large purchase. I bought a 1kg bullion lunar dragon coin because it was so freaking beautiful and I got it at a decent price but I didn't know that they made as many of these as they could sell and so they aren't as rare or collectable as the 2-10oz versions and that I would probably have been better off with 3 x 10oz coins. After seeing a 10oz coin in person I've found I like them as much anyway, a relatively small error since u didn't pay much more than I could likely sell the coin for but a little research and asking gave me a much better idea what I should have done.

Don't get ahead of yourself! This one relates to the first 3. I personally think silver has a rosy future compared to today's prices over the tune frame of a few years but today's low prices aren't likely to jump significantly overnight. So if your half as enthusiastic as I am just keep reminding yourself that you have time to learn and that you likely won't miss out on a great silver price by putting things off for a day or two or more extra reading and researching whatever your interested in buying. This is particularly important for collectables and high premium items where you might find something out that changes your view of what it's worth to you.

Lastly, enjoy it! I've found stacking silver to be great fun. From looking into financial markets and researching the economics of silver, hunting for bargains, finding out about numismatics and collectables to appreciating the bars and coins themselves I've found it highly rewarding. It's an investment and a great hobby. Plus the people here on the forum are great fun. I'm going to my first SS local meetup tomorrow and I expect that to be just as fun.

Also a note on taking advice: the people here are (generally :) ) quite sensible but there is easily as much absolute nonsense online about silver as good advice. Particularly when watching youtube videos or independent blogs and websites evaluate what your reading critically and leave your nonsense detector set to 11. If someone starts talking about the price of silver compared to gold an ancient Greece that's interesting information, if they are trying to tell you that has a significant varying bearing on what the price should be today despite the 100 years very different performance during the whole modern industrial age then maybe that's not helpful information. Also, if they start talking about the new world order, anti-christ Obama, The illuminati, Jewish banking syndicates or the junior league suppressing/artificially raising silver prices, planning to confiscate everyone's precious metals or any other generally Alex Jones sillyness just switch off, it's a waste of your time and it saps your iq. Besides, everyone knows it's the nephalim who are really suppressing the silver price in coalition with the RAND corporation using reverse vampires as their day trading puppets in a grand conspiracy to eliminate the meal of dinner... we're through the looking glass people.
 
Dave

All I can say is buy from a reputable source. That means dealers, the mint or folk from here that have a good reputation.

Never buy off ebay if folk can't produce a very clear image of the coin and never jump in. Study certain coins and products so you know off by heart what is and what isn't a good deal.

There's a list of official Bullion dealers for Perth and other products here:
http://www.perthmintbullion.com/au/About-The-Perth-Mint/Our-Distributors.aspx

Understand the exchange rate and how it will effect your purchases and sales.

Have a sales plan before you ever contemplate buying.

Have a security plan implemented before you buy something of significant value.

Get to know the dealers who frequent this forum, they often will provide excellent discounts.

Your thread has been discussed many times, so best of luck with your research via the links above or the search function.

All the best and happy stacking. :)



H
 
Thanks so much for the replies.

The main reason that i want to get into it is because when civilisation breaks down from the impending zombie appocolypse, modern currency will become null and void, so its best to start collecting now :P

But seriously, i see it as tax and fee free retirement fund. Looking at how prices have continually risen over the past 10-20 years, hopefully the trend will continue.

I have the mindset of buying bars and semi collectable coins and factoring in the scrap value of silver and gold. I have purchased a few bars from ebay but with a bit of skimming of the surface i found that they may be members on here.
 
When buying, have selling in mind.. always think how easy it will be to sell this item.. generic and easily identifyable are good features.. ie: 1966 50c Coin.

Other silver investments could be a better investment but will require additional specialised information and the buyer demand will be limited to that specialised (niche) market also requiring background knowledge, unique images and description.. basically a time vortex.

1for1
 
Caput Lupinum said:
Don't attempt to purchase metals if you're tripping on acid

Hawkwind begs to differ

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfniG-AdSC4[/youtube]
 
Dave said:
Thanks so much for the replies.

The main reason that i want to get into it is because when civilisation breaks down from the impending zombie appocolypse, modern currency will become null and void, so its best to start collecting now :P

But seriously, i see it as tax and fee free retirement fund. Looking at how prices have continually risen over the past 10-20 years, hopefully the trend will continue.

I have the mindset of buying bars and semi collectable coins and factoring in the scrap value of silver and gold. I have purchased a few bars from ebay but with a bit of skimming of the surface i found that they may be members on here.


I'm quite sure some significant portion of eBay silver sellers are involved here. Thing is for those items you will likely be able to get those items through the forum with the 10% ebay fees off the price, maybe more. EBay isn't all hopeless if your careful and your willing to wade through A LOT of overpriced or misleading lots to get to the good stuff.

Years of buying and selling camera gear and a few other odds and ends has left me with powerful ebay-fu but even after a few hours of searching over a couple weeks I've only managed to get 1 deal that was just slightly better than an everyday price that you might find on this forum.

I think it better suits collectors who don't mind paying an extra $10-20 for a coin that rounds out a collection or is a gift than someone looking to later make money on that purchase. It's not uncommon to see 1oz rounds going for $30, that's a long way for spot to rise for you to even get your money back at most places.

Anyhow there is so much good info around, particularly here, that you will be in good stead in no time.

Regarding a tax and fee free retirement investment you might want to check out some of the threads about self managed retirement funds and which sorts of silver sales might or might not attract capital gains tax.

Certainly the 2 are some tax and fee free options in silver. I've also heard it said: "if a pamp bar is traded for cash in the woods, does it make a sound the ATO can hear?" . Better to be informed on such things though so you know your responsibilities.
 
Welcome I am new as well but unlike the newbee in post #2 I am diversifying my minuscule wealth because I fully believe in The New World Order hype:) Call me a Truther lol

Dont bother with ebay unless you can get a bargain from a reputable seller, most local bullion stores sell cheaper than e bay sellers anyway. Watch out for fakes and dont let your heart rule your brain! I may have just bought my first fake round due to it being under weight but its still real prurdy (so my heart says lol):)

If you want bullion coins Maples salt water crocs and Philharmonics are pretty cheap, legal tender of your country is best to ward off fakes because "Re selling"counterfeit legal tender is as much of a crime as counterfeiting legal tender.
 
Dave said:
But seriously, i see it as tax and fee free retirement fund. Looking at how prices have continually risen over the past 10-20 years, hopefully the trend will continue.
They rose for exactly 5 years, from 2006 to 2011. For the rest of the last 150 years they have been dropping (inflation adjusted)... :)
 
Nabullion Dynamite said:
Caput Lupinum said:
Don't attempt to purchase metals if you're tripping on acid

I've made much more fruit full purchases on mushrooms.

The coin you thought you ordered:

4PbJbgU.jpg


The coin that arrived in the post:

XuMVeDQ.jpg
 
Court Jester said:
Dave said:
Hi guy's,

What are your opinions?

Thanks
Dave


buy realestate and forget about silver

Real estate might be a better buy, but the storage costs are astronomical, and it doesn't look the same after being kept in a safe for even a few weeks - comes out all crumpled and messy .....
 
I keep my real estate at the bottom of a deep lake so that no one will find it...I tossed it over when I went out with my row boat last year. :)



.
 
Court Jester said:
Dave said:
Hi guy's,

What are your opinions?

Thanks
Dave


buy realestate and forget about silver

Which is what I am doing, but with some left over pocket money I thought It would be a good idea to buy some shiny stuff for when the time comes to kick back, or as a back up plan for if something were to happen and I'd find myself out of work.

Besides it's nice to have something shiny to hold.
 
Dave said:
Court Jester said:
Dave said:
Hi guy's,

What are your opinions?

Thanks
Dave


buy realestate and forget about silver

Which is what I am doing, but with some left over pocket money I thought It would be a good idea to buy some shiny stuff for when the time comes to kick back, or as a back up plan for if something were to happen and I'd find myself out of work.

Besides it's nice to have something shiny to hold.


if you have left over $$$ put them onto your home loan or buy shares, something that produces an income not sit in a safe / cupboard and loose value( and has the potential to sit where it is currently fo another 5+ years)

I will say it again, silver for the past 18 months and will be for at least the next 18 months a dead asset.
 
Back
Top