Down 0.40 but I don't think we'll see $14.xx new years buying opportunities some people were looking out for. Although if people are a little desperate to sell to close out their positions over the holiday we might still see a nasty smack down which might lead to a healthy up 10% or 20% rise over January come Feb 1 which the market might like. $15 January 1 to $17 at the end of the month could happen and I can see a lot of more mainstream coverage of that if it eventuates which can only be good.