Marc Faber "Buy A Machine Gun", No Really, "You're Right, Buy A Tank"

http://www.theage.com.au/business/m...tocks-soar-on-wall-street-20121108-28zcq.html

The re-election of Barack Obama sparked a heavy sell-off on global sharemarkets, but there was one beacon of hope for investors - guns.

As investors headed for the exits on concerns that the US could be plunged back into recession if politicians can't find a way to repair the national budget, the stock prices of gunmakers soared on Wall Street.

While the overall market was down more than 2 per cent, shares in Smith & Wesson shot up 7.7 per cent. Sturm, Ruger & Co, which bills itself as the only full-line manufacturer of American-made firearms, jumped 5.4 per cent, while stocks in Cabela's, a gun retailer, added 1.54 per cent.

Australian stocks have joined the global sell-off today. In early trade, the benchmark ASX200 was down more than 1 per cent, while the Aussie dollar had dived from close to $US1.047 late yesterday afternoon to $US1.04.

and BTW, who writes this slush:

Obama lost the support of many bankers in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis and the passage of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law, which sought to shore up the financial system but also cost banks billions of dollars in annual profit.
 
Obama, along with many of the organizations he is connected to, in addition to countless Democrats are very anti-gun. They're constantly looking for ways to tax, limit and ban our constitutional rights, and now that he is re-elected, he will be able to appoint more supreme court justices, presumably ones that will also be very anti-gun. It's a very real issue for gun-rights advocates and law-abiding gun owners. The US probably hasn't been so divided since the civil war. If big government comes after gun owners, which there are enough of in the US to form an army, it wouldn't surprise me if there was quite an uproar.
 
JulieW said:
, shares in Smith & Wesson shot up 7.7 per cent. Sturm, Ruger & Co, which bills itself as the only full-line manufacturer of American-made firearms, jumped 5.4 per cent,

...keeping it under the 'radar'...you would not believe the rubbish being produced by these factories these days... build quality has gone out the window, customer returns through the roof, they should be ashamed.
 
Clawhammer said:
JulieW said:
, shares in Smith & Wesson shot up 7.7 per cent. Sturm, Ruger & Co, which bills itself as the only full-line manufacturer of American-made firearms, jumped 5.4 per cent,

...keeping it under the 'radar'...you would not believe the rubbish being produced by these factories these days... build quality has gone out the window, customer returns through the roof, they should be ashamed.

I'm a Ruger owner, along with many people I know. The quality and reliability of their firearms is top-notch, especially for the price point. Customer service is also outstanding. Not sure what kind of experiences you've had.
 
heyimderrick said:
If big government comes after gun owners, which there are enough of in the US to form an army, it wouldn't surprise me if there was quite an uproar.

Or civil war.

I think as the system breaks down under a financial collapse, that might become a real possibility looking ahead.

Gerald Celente said it best - When the people lose everything and have nothing else to lose, they lose it.

Disarming the population would be a cold bucket of water over the head for the last of the American people still asleep. I'd really hate to think what would happen in a country where the populace are angry, armed and seeking justice against and establishment looking to enforce martial law.

Any chance you can get out of the country in a hurry if you need to Derrick?
 
heyimderrick said:
Clawhammer said:
JulieW said:
, shares in Smith & Wesson shot up 7.7 per cent. Sturm, Ruger & Co, which bills itself as the only full-line manufacturer of American-made firearms, jumped 5.4 per cent,

...keeping it under the 'radar'...you would not believe the rubbish being produced by these factories these days... build quality has gone out the window, customer returns through the roof, they should be ashamed.

I'm a Ruger owner, along with many people I know. The quality and reliability of their firearms is top-notch, especially for the price point. Customer service is also outstanding. Not sure what kind of experiences you've had.

Didn't want to draw the crabs ... yes Ruger's fine...but Remington, Savage, Rossi and Marlin have gone to $#!t. The stuff going into Oz, (when you CAN ACTUALLY get them) have screws hammered in, stocks not fitting properly, barrel's out of alignment, machine marks inside AND out and actions tht won't cycle.

Browning are OK...but our stuff still gets made-in-Japan.
 
Auspm said:
Any chance you can get out of the country in a hurry if you need to Derrick?

I live in Chicago. Canada is a possibility, although I don't know if it is a good one. I have friends with fall back plans.
 
Clawhammer said:
Didn't want to draw the crabs ... yes Ruger's fine...but Remington, Savage, Rossi and Marlin have gone to $#!t. The stuff going into Oz, (when you CAN ACTUALLY get them) have screws hammered in, stocks not fitting properly, barrel's out of alignment, machine marks inside AND out and actions tht won't cycle.

Browning are OK...but our stuff still gets made-in-Japan.

That's terrible to hear. Of those others you listed, I've never even considered their products, actually. Too many far better brands out there.
 
Guys - stop the gun talk right there.

I personally love firearms as well, but GP has a strict policy on that topic of discussion on SS and I wouldn't want to see the thread locked.

Back on topic :

"I am surprised with the reelection of Mr. Obama. The S&P is only down like 30 points. I would have thought that the market on his reelection should be down at least 50%...I think Mr. Obama is a disaster for business and a disaster for the United States. Not that Mr. Romney would be much better, but the Republicans understand the problem of excessive debt better than Mr. Obama who basically doesn't care about piling up debt. You also have in the background Mr. Bernanke, who with artificially low interest rates enables the debt to essentially escalate endlessly."

I might nitpick that bolded point for a moment.

Disasterous for the economy, yes. A socialist/communist idealist with nothing to lose and wanting to leave a legacy for his ideals may very well bring about the final solution on the American capitalist economy.

But a financial collapse may also bring a halt to further military expansion and adventure abroad, also saving the populace from retaliation from further expansion of the US military trying to prop up a dying petro-dollar.

The American population will pay a heavy toll for decades of currency abuse and excessive debt granted, but the accounting for such a financial collapse of the system will still ensure that when the dust settles you and your children will still have a future and a continent on which to build it.

In the event that the US continues to push their military expansion to try and secure more oil deposits instead, it could well see the US citizens and the entire world plunged into the nightmare of intercontinental thermonuclear war.

The elite won't care, they've already built their bunkers. But regardless of who 'wins' such an engagement, the bottom line is much of the human race on this planet will be wiped out as an act of desperation of a psychotic minority elite will assume mutual destruction a preferential outcome to facing the angry population for their enslavement.

One of the main reasons why conquests of global superpowers through history have stopped terrorizing the people is because they simply ran out of money.

Put aside capitalism as an ideal for a moment and focus on the bigger picture here.

Obama is a nutcase for sure, I don't argue that and he has played a role in further military expansion for the US to protect it's domestic interests. But the bottom line is, I believe he is most likely to bankrupt the country and deprive the industrial military complex the funding needed to continue the rampage that it's been on the last several decades, unwittingly starving the beast and defeating it from within.

Given the choices on the table, I'll accept global financial collapse over mutually assured destruction any day of the week.

Wouldn't you?
 
Auspm said:
Given the choices on the table, I'll accept global financial collapse over mutually assured destruction any day of the week.

Wouldn't you?
Looking back at 2008 I am very surprised it didn't happen back then... really that was a wake up call I very nearly did not have
 
heyimderrick said:
If big government comes after gun owners, which there are enough of in the US to form an army, it wouldn't surprise me if there was quite an uproar.

Yeah, because the Wall Street elites blowing up the U.S. economy and kicking off the end of the America's status as a global superpower is merely a minor distraction compared to the importance of whether or not you can buy a lower receiver over the internet.
 
Big A.D. said:
heyimderrick said:
If big government comes after gun owners, which there are enough of in the US to form an army, it wouldn't surprise me if there was quite an uproar.

Yeah, because the Wall Street elites blowing up the U.S. economy and kicking off the end of the America's status as a global superpower is merely a minor distraction compared to the importance of whether or not you can buy a lower receiver over the internet.

It's all speculative, but I'm just saying that that could be one of the final straws for people as someone would physically be coming to take them away from you. This election proved that half of the voting population has no clue how destructive Obama and his administration actually are. It's sad, really. Not that I think Romney would have been a savior, but he certainly is more qualified to run this country than Obama. I'm from Chicago, he didn't accomplish anything as an Illinois politician that was for the greater good of this state, he was a serial campaigner, surrounded by crooks. The same as he has been in the White House. I've never been more embarrassed to be a young American. Most of my peers are oblivious to economic and geopolitical matters. Instead, they care more about the fact that Jay-Z and Beyonce and Katy Perry are on the Obama bandwagon.
 
thatguy said:
Looking back at 2008 I am very surprised it didn't happen back then... really that was a wake up call I very nearly did not have

It's actually quite sad most people didn't wake up during that event either, seeing it as nothing more than a road bump.

I've no doubt the real event will (again) catch many by surprise.
 
heyimderrick said:
Big A.D. said:
heyimderrick said:
If big government comes after gun owners, which there are enough of in the US to form an army, it wouldn't surprise me if there was quite an uproar.

Yeah, because the Wall Street elites blowing up the U.S. economy and kicking off the end of the America's status as a global superpower is merely a minor distraction compared to the importance of whether or not you can buy a lower receiver over the internet.

It's all speculative, but I'm just saying that that could be one of the final straws for people as someone would physically be coming to take them away from you.

Presumably these are the same people who accept that when they get on board an aeroplane they can choose between either irradiated or being sexually assaulted.

Whatever gun control laws Obamba does or doesn't introduce during his second term don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. I mean, in practice, the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th and 14th and 15th Amendments don't really exist for a lot of people in America these days, so what makes the 2nd so special?
 
heyimderrick said:
Clawhammer said:
Didn't want to draw the crabs ... yes Ruger's fine...but Remington, Savage, Rossi and Marlin have gone to $#!t. The stuff going into Oz, (when you CAN ACTUALLY get them) have screws hammered in, stocks not fitting properly, barrel's out of alignment, machine marks inside AND out and actions tht won't cycle.

Browning are OK...but our stuff still gets made-in-Japan.

That's terrible to hear. Of those others you listed, I've never even considered their products, actually. Too many far better brands out there.
Without using the 3 letter word what do you think about 'Open carry'
Watching the Youtube clips gives one the slanted view that most of the owners are arrogant imbeciles with an over bearing approach to mostly helpful police.
Clawhammer i brought a Winchester .22,it came with plastic magazines!!
Brought a .22 Mag Zavasta brand new,screws in stock had been so badly formed that i could barely fit an Allen key into head.
I only buy second hand good old oldies now or new old stock.
Disagree with Marlin comment, levers are fine as are Rossi's in that form.

REDBACK
 
Big A.D. said:
heyimderrick said:
Big A.D. said:
Yeah, because the Wall Street elites blowing up the U.S. economy and kicking off the end of the America's status as a global superpower is merely a minor distraction compared to the importance of whether or not you can buy a lower receiver over the internet.

It's all speculative, but I'm just saying that that could be one of the final straws for people as someone would physically be coming to take them away from you.

Presumably these are the same people who accept that when they get on board an aeroplane they can choose between either irradiated or being sexually assaulted.

Whatever gun control laws Obamba does or doesn't introduce during his second term don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. I mean, in practice, the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th and 14th and 15th Amendments don't really exist for a lot of people in America these days, so what makes the 2nd so special?
I want to agree but part of me thinks that society as a whole is full of dead shits that only care about anything until it hits their bottom line..... Maybee there is enough dead shits that care about guns?
 
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