Major stuff going on between US & RU over Ukraine

[Court Jester]

BTW, all those troops claimed to be russian de jure are not russian as they have NO signs of belonging to russian army ... that's why Putin as well as defense minister told in interview that there were no russian troops in Ukraine. So all those claims of current Ukraine leaders sounds like UFO.(even US with its drones has no proof that those troops are belonging to Russia)
I will not be surprised if after the conflict it will be disclosed that those troops are employees of military contractor in Russia hired by someone from Ukraine (i.e. president) or that those troops are citizens of Ukraine who got supplied from who knows what place.

P.S. It is obvious that Russia is winning the battle and the US going into confrontation with lose outcome losing its world police image.

Wait and see - US EU & G7 will act via sanctions, Putin will be slapped back into place on the international stage and he'll hate that.

As for all those guys dressed in olive green with balaclavas - I reckon they're working for Tupperware on a special project for Martha Stewart...

Of course they're Russian. 60% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians, hence why bits n bobs of the UA defence forces have aligned themselves to RU already, including handing over hardware, ships, missile silos etc.

Dodgy situation all-round I'd say.

lol again you are wayyyyyyy ff the mark

Putin wont be bitch slapped by the US it will be the other way around he has had the upper hand the whole time so far.

the US will try to impose sanctions the Russians will laugh in their faces as the US cant impose any meaningful sanctions on the Russians without CHina's backing and they wont get that.

you couldn't be more wayy off here.

one day to go until your crazy theories and predictions are proved bogus.

 

[VRS]

I'm more interested in MH370 tbh right now - the referendum on Crimea's a foregone conclusion.

Let the resulting G7/EU/US/Western flap & media/economic fiasco ensue...

Good for metals prices too, so I ain't complaining - but Putin will get a slap from this - might take 6 mths to sink in, but RU's aspirations to ever be as important as US on the World stage will fall over in short order. China knows this too - which is why they vetoed today at the UN.

No one likes a bully, and regardless of what you or I think about a US system owned/driven by its own sort of corruptive/corrupted influence/s and its merits, Putin is a serial thug who deserves a good wake up call imho...

It's going to be an interesting week for sure...

 

[Court Jester]

I'm more interested in MH370 tbh right now - the referendum on Crimea's a foregone conclusion.

Let the resulting G7/EU/US/Western flap & media/economic fiasco ensue...

Good for metals prices too, so I ain't complaining - but Putin will get a slap from this - might take 6 mths to sink in, but RU's aspirations to ever be as important as US on the World stage will fall over in short order. China knows this too - which is why they vetoed today at the UN.

No one likes a bully, and regardless of what you or I think about a US system owned/driven by its own sort of corruptive/corrupted influence/s and its merits, Putin is a serial thug who deserves a good wake up call imho...

It's going to be an interesting week for sure...

well the news I hear and read said China abstained from the vote that Russia vetoed an way

but

MH370 is a US conspiracy to divert your attention away from RU and Crimera don't you know

 

[mmissinglink]

As I've said several times before in this forum, Putin will be forced to retract through sanctions.

 

[Court Jester]

As I've said several times before in this forum, Putin will be forced to retract through sanctions.

and as many others have said in this forum

you are wrong and the arrogant americans cant police the world

 

[VRS]

Crimera don't you know

Wow - and there was me thinking that was a mythical monstrous fire-breathing creature from Lycia in Asia Minor composed of the parts of a lion, a snake and a goat - offspring of the union between Typhon and Echidna and a sibling of Cerberus and the Lernaean Hydra!

Damn!

Yup - Clearly, I'm wayyyyy out once again...

 

[sammysilver]

Village Idiot, give it a rest

 

[Court Jester]

Village Idiot, give it a rest

shhh, go back to making your failed predictions, if you make enough you might eventually get one right

after all even a broken clock is correct 2 x times a day

 

[sammysilver]

Village Idiot, give it a rest

shhh, go back to making your failed predictions, if you make enough you might eventually get one right

after all even a broken clock is correct 2 x times a day

I use a 24 hour clock. You can't even get that right!

 

[Court Jester]

Well teh vote is in and Crimera have voted to join Russia,

let the "sanctions" begin and the above predictions by VRS prove false.

 

[tiddleyetom]

Russia doesn't want the Ukraine. they want to secure the bases in Crimea,
a Ukrainian Crimea is a relatively new thing, and no one in Crimea really gave two tugs cause they spoke Russian, hosted Russian soldiers, etc. the nutters in kiev have the whole of Ukraine worries, you will see a break up just like FSRY (Yugoslavia)
They don't really need it, the second they stop pumping gas, the Ukrainians will bend over hard for the Russians. The US can't really stretch themselves again after being humiliated in Afghanistan and Iraq, they couldn't really face a real army, too used to shooting kids and raping little girls. they putting a lot of their energy into syria to ensure a caliphate doesn't get established, why?
Because it would be OBLIGED to run a gold and silver standard, and maintain a stable ratio between the two. Which means what, america can't print its way out of debt anymore.
Its like a kid being raised inside a sweetshop eating whatever he could for free, and now someones says "new rules, you gotta pay your tab" kid spazzes out and becomes irrational aggressive and violent.
the last death throws of an empire, its happened many times before in history, no reason why it won't again.

This one ^^

 

[Rinchin]

Nothing has kicked off yet because Russia needs China's approval to stop accepting USD for oil/gas.

China's in a bind because the top blokes who were supposed to come in and facilitate their plan to maneuver the Yuan as reserve currency are still missing on that damn plane. All will be relatively inactive until the fate of that plane is known to Chinese officials.

 

[rbaggio]

China's in a bind because the top blokes who were supposed to come in and facilitate their plan to maneuver the Yuan as reserve currency are still missing on that damn plane.

Link for this please. Would like to read further.

 

[dccpa]

Nothing has kicked off yet because Russia needs China's approval to stop accepting USD for oil/gas.

China's in a bind because the top blokes who were supposed to come in and facilitate their plan to maneuver the Yuan as reserve currency are still missing on that damn plane. All will be relatively inactive until the fate of that plane is known to Chinese officials.

China doesn't want to be the reserve currency. To be the reserve currency, you have to run a deficit.

 

[worldbubble]

out of 1.5 mln people who went to election in Crimea 96% voted to be part of Russia
Crimea asked UN to accept it as a new country
Official currency in Crimea is russian rouble from now on
Putin will have a speach tomorrow in senate

meanwhile in mainland Ukraine's one of the most populated cities a meeting
almost all Ukrainian mass media tells it's just 1-3 thousand people on the streets

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF_SNvgCmhs[/youtube]


Now people in these areas demanding to hold a referendum like Crimea had.


But ,I'm still waiting for Putin's back off )))

 

[VRS]

Nothing has kicked off yet because Russia needs China's approval to stop accepting USD for oil/gas.

China's in a bind because the top blokes who were supposed to come in and facilitate their plan to maneuver the Yuan as reserve currency are still missing on that damn plane. All will be relatively inactive until the fate of that plane is known to Chinese officials.

The way the story's developing though is multi-tiered, not least on a whole heap of other issues such as:

Nuclear compliance of RU, and UA's stockpile
Cooperation on Syria (which also funnily enough has implications with China & wider Middle East)
Arrangements for use of RU territory already in place to facilitate withdrawal of US troops in Afghanistan

Then again despite me never having been a Putin fan they fact that he stepped back on the suggestion of a referendum and just let the internal vote in Crimea return today with an 83% turnout AND a 96% approval for secession was a great way to play the US/G7/EU, leaving them in a total flap. Hey - He's A DEMOCRAT!

So the talk today turns to 'sanctions against (currently) 24 individuals' involved in the process of taking Crimea away from UA, in other words a bunch of lower & middle tier 'yes men' on Putin's team - laughable really.

I also think Obama's statement that 'US will never recognise the outcome' of the referendum today was hilarious - 96% of the Crimean voters have.

That's just whack lol!

From Putin's media team at home though, the new boss of the RU's state news agency promised toast for breakfast...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/17/ukraine-crisis-russia-kiselyov-idINDEEA2G01G20140317

17/3 (Reuters) - "A Kremlin-backed journalist issued a stark warning to the United States about Moscow's nuclear capabilities on Sunday as the White House threatened sanctions over Crimea's referendum on union with Russia.

"Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash," television presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly current affairs show.

Behind him was a backdrop of a mushroom cloud following a nuclear blast.

Kiselyov was named by President Vladimir Putin in December as the head of a new state news agency whose task will be to portray Russia in the best possible light."

Ain't that always the way. :lol:

 

[AngloSaxon]

Thanks for finding that video worldbubble, going to the original URL of the video, Youtube helpfully translate all the Russian and Ukrainian into English at the click of a button. The comments are telling.

My favourite, expressing the sarcastic mood of those who like me don't believe the media:

It's all Russian special forces disguised as Ukrainians.

 

[VRS]

It's all Russian special forces disguised as Ukrainians.

But I thought CJ said that none of them there were Russian - and all the soldiers, at least, were 'contracted' Ukrainians lolol!

 

[Court Jester]

It's all Russian special forces disguised as Ukrainians.

But I thought CJ said that none of them there were Russian - and all the soldiers, at least, were 'contracted' Ukrainians lolol!

I never said that I said your predictions :

1) sanctions will have an effect on RU and force them to act ----
2) that there will be a new reserve curency backed by gold
3) RUssia will turn off the gas to europe
4) Russia will back down

and a few of the other doosies you suggested in the OP of this thread were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy of any reality

Basically Russia is giving a big FU to the USA and Europe and there is NOTHING that they can do about it, besides chest beating and words, which will have 0 effect on this matter.

 

[alor]

if you are retired in Ukraine, the way out is to vote down IMF package, since you will get an inferior sum as compared to those promised from Russia

the US supported thugs in Ukraine will be the next to flee Ukraine :lol:

the gas pipes will be bursting very soon and,

the forthcoming IMF loans, that the US is trying to channel from IMF and telling the Russian to stop their foreign Aids....

so that IMF got business to do.

what a WAYANG show man, the world can see clearly, be it in Russian Language or other natives languages.

the shadow, there is none. The media is not telling us what is actually going on there. Stop wasting time to watch the useless tv.