Nothing new, blah, blah. So do you care to admit that you were in wechat group with Andy, offering suggestions, input and ideas around this concept and the lunar panda rooster concept? Does that not constitute a team of people coming together to formulate ideas on what will the best way to present these pieces to the market place? Hide behind the, oh, you said nasty things on the other site, blah, blah. What I said over at the other site is truth, and more than one person has emailed me saying the same thing, and one influential person has stopped even going over there, period end of story. And I actually have archived emails from Andy/Trouble saying the same thing, but I have not posted them, because I want to save him the embarrassment. So spare me of your self-righteousness, and pontification. You felt the same things I expressed many times, but you hid and cowered behind your computer, and didn't say anything. Give it a rest Perfulator.