Long Term Long As Market Manipulation Continues

i am trying to get my head around market manipulation.
say one of these big clients were yours and they said sell or buy or even if it was your companies money is manipulations?

If other players in the market sensing a whale is shifting in or out and it triggers other big players to react for and or against, is it manipulations?

Say bill gates woke up and said I want all the silver in the world, and you started buying would that be market manipulation?

Or if USmint lowered it order from its blank manufacturers who in turn lowered its order, because they have a huge inventory, is it market manipulation? .

2015 average just under 4 million a month (47 million)

2016 numbers below

January 5,954,500
February 4,782,000
March 4,106,000
April 4,072,000
May 4,498,500
June 2,837,500
July 1,370,000
August 1,010,000
 
Ipv6Ready said:
i am trying to get my head around market manipulation.
say one of these big clients were yours and they said sell or buy or even if it was your companies money is manipulations?

If other players in the market sensing a whale is shifting in or out and it triggers other big players to react for and or against, is it manipulations?

Say bill gates woke up and said I want all the silver in the world, and you started buying would that be market manipulation?

Or if USmint lowered it order from its blank manufacturers who in turn lowered its order, because they have a huge inventory, is it market manipulation? .
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You are correct - large order does not automatically mean manipulation.
To truly get your head around it, you first have to decipher the cryptic language of PM bugs.

Substitute the oft loosely used term "manipulation" with the more accurate term "f@#k, price keeps moving against my sure-thing long position in physical", and the picture becomes a whole lot clearer. ;)
 
Silver bears hug each other and nod.
What manipulation? - There is no such thing.
Soon Pirocco will be here to prove it with wallpapers made of numbers.
 
Buzz
C.H. said:
Silver bears hug each other and nod.
What manipulation? - There is no such thing.
Soon Pirocco will be here to prove it with wallpapers made of numbers.
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And permabulls keep gorging themselves on the conspiracy rhetoric as affirmation of their commitment to it via skin in the game - faith is far from proof either.
 
C.H. said:
Silver bears hug each other and nod.
What manipulation? - There is no such thing.
Soon Pirocco will be here to prove it with wallpapers made of numbers.
Click to expand...

Im not saying there are no cheating, funny dealing or insider trading. But that is far from market manipulations.
Just like there are bound to be dodgy branch managers in local business centres of banks cooking personal loans for annual bonus but to than take the leap to say the activity of these local business centre units of big 4 banks are operating with the with blessings of the CEOs who meet secretly about it is far fetched.

What would be the point from the CEO of JPM or Deutsche banks, allowing PM traders collude officially? According to the lawsuit in US they are accused of manipulating $30 billion of trade annually (not profit) and this is what the plaintive are stating and in like all lawsuits the figure the plaintive states is always in the high end.

So $30billion of silver and silver financial instruments traded annually was manipulated violating U.S. antitrust law. The question is, what is the value of $30 billion in PM trading division worth to the group over all 0.1%, 0.01% or even less of these banks group profits -> Since there share trading are turns over 100billion in a day, I would say negligible?

Don't get me wrong, I can see a direct $$ benefit for the traders in that small PM group, but really to say it is some secretive elite who control these banks have some valid reason to set the price of silver or gold at a certain price is out there with The world is Flat theorist.

BUT I do concede that I could be reading too much into it when people say elite or manipulation, if it is just meant to be a bunch of middle managers fudging and being dodgy to fix for a $1milion dollar bonus, than I agree.
 
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