Libertarian ideology and financial collapse

[boyd_05]

Yeah you will not understand it and that is fine, you are just stuck at a lower level of moral development, don't take it as a bad thing that is just how you are

Lol u have no clue. You're not nearly as clever as u think u are, and if u knew what i did with my own time and money and how i live my life, you wouldnt be lecturing me on morals.

You are the classic example of someone that suffers from Psychological projection. Your comments are littered with it. Get your own house in order before casting judgment on others.

Nothing wrong with my house it is just dandy , you do what you want.... I think Libertarians are like 4 year olds and adopt it as a way of justifying what you want, Libertarianism will appeal to a very small section of the population but the problem they are going to have is 99% of the population can recognise it as bullshit and are never going to adopt it

U know im not a libertarian right? but of course u had to falsely assume that just because i questioned you about something. Im not defending libertarians so your comments directed at me so far dont apply. I was disagreeing with you on something more specific. Keep up.

All this coming from a person thats always complaining about people on this site saying: "Ohhh, socialism" at the first opportunity. Here u are, projecting again...

 

[JulieW]

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."
- F. Scott Fitzgerald

 

[Newtosilver]

Lol u have no clue. You're not nearly as clever as u think u are, and if u knew what i did with my own time and money and how i live my life, you wouldnt be lecturing me on morals.

You are the classic example of someone that suffers from Psychological projection. Your comments are littered with it. Get your own house in order before casting judgment on others.

Nothing wrong with my house it is just dandy , you do what you want.... I think Libertarians are like 4 year olds and adopt it as a way of justifying what you want, Libertarianism will appeal to a very small section of the population but the problem they are going to have is 99% of the population can recognise it as bullshit and are never going to adopt it

U know im not a libertarian right? but of course u had to falsely assume that just because i questioned you about something. Im not defending libertarians so your comments directed at me so far dont apply. I was disagreeing with you on something more specific. Keep up.

All this coming from a person thats always complaining about people on this site saying: "Ohhh, socialism" at the first opportunity. Here u are, projecting again...

The socialism comments are sarcasm keep up......

 

[boyd_05]

ability to function being the key words there

 

[Newtosilver]

The largest practical application of Libertarianism that has been put into practice is a small community in Chile where it crashed and burned in less than 12 months and all the rich smart Libertarians got ripped off for millions of dollars. Stoned hippies have had more success than Libertaians and they are off there tits for most of the time on pot.

Maybe we should legalise pot, which is a step towards libertarianism, and see if stoned libertarians are more effective than capitalist libertarians.

They couldn't be any worse.

 

[boyd_05]

Nothing wrong with my house it is just dandy , you do what you want.... I think Libertarians are like 4 year olds and adopt it as a way of justifying what you want, Libertarianism will appeal to a very small section of the population but the problem they are going to have is 99% of the population can recognise it as bullshit and are never going to adopt it

U know im not a libertarian right? but of course u had to falsely assume that just because i questioned you about something. Im not defending libertarians so your comments directed at me so far dont apply. I was disagreeing with you on something more specific. Keep up.

All this coming from a person thats always complaining about people on this site saying: "Ohhh, socialism" at the first opportunity. Here u are, projecting again...

The socialism comments are sarcasm keep up......

I know they are. I was commenting on the reason behind the sarcasm. keep up...

 

[Newtosilver]

U know im not a libertarian right? but of course u had to falsely assume that just because i questioned you about something. Im not defending libertarians so your comments directed at me so far dont apply. I was disagreeing with you on something more specific. Keep up.

All this coming from a person thats always complaining about people on this site saying: "Ohhh, socialism" at the first opportunity. Here u are, projecting again...

The socialism comments are sarcasm keep up......

I know they are. I was commenting on the reason behind the sarcasm. keep up...

Well you would have to be pretty stupid not to have not realised it was sarcasm but hey with you I thought I had better mention it to make sure you know the blog idiot

 

[mmm....shiney!]

I was speaking to someone today about Libertarianism and how it seems to be a "I want and it's mine screw everyone else selfish philosophy" it is regularly described as thinking like a 4 year old, it is mine, I am not going to share and I want it because it is mine.

They explained to me Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development.

As people develop they learn and develop morals, some people progress and their morals develop to higher levels, some people do not advance.

I have been informed Libertarians are at level 1 self interest....

What you were really doing was speaking to someone about what you thought Libertarianism is, not what it actually is.

 

[Newtosilver]

I was speaking to someone today about Libertarianism and how it seems to be a "I want and it's mine screw everyone else selfish philosophy" it is regularly described as thinking like a 4 year old, it is mine, I am not going to share and I want it because it is mine.

They explained to me Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development.

As people develop they learn and develop morals, some people progress and their morals develop to higher levels, some people do not advance.

I have been informed Libertarians are at level 1 self interest....

What you were really doing was speaking to someone about what you thought Libertarianism is, not what it actually is.

Well actually what I think it is and what they read about it

The "you just don't understand Libertarianism" argument is crap.

That is like someone saying to you you do not understand democracy.

 

[mmm....shiney!]

That is like someone saying to you you do not understand democracy.

Which you don't understand as well. :lol:

 

[col0016]

So when I reach stage 5 do I get to be as enlightened as you and have constantly changing morals based on whichever government is in power? Consistency is a sign of low morality, only somebody like you who doesn't decide for themselves what is right and wrong but instead just goes along with whatever everyone else thinks at the time is a true stage 5er.

 

[col0016]

Wouldn't you be stage 1 because you don't think you should have to take responsibility for yourself? By actively encouraging a system where your choices are restricted and where if you make a mistake you know you can just take other peoples money. You support a system where a few people at the top are constantly starting wars and stealing from everybody in order to kill civilians overseas and you think that people who say you should never iniate violence have LOWER moral development? Get real kiddo.

It's funny that those who are will to take responsibility for themselves are seen as unenlightened haha.

 

[JulieW]

Wouldn't you be stage 1 because you don't think you should have to take responsibility for yourself? By actively encouraging a system where your choices are restricted and where if you make a mistake you know you can just take other peoples money. You support a system where a few people at the top are constantly starting wars and stealing from everybody in order to kill civilians overseas and you think that people who say you should never iniate violence have LOWER moral development? Get real kiddo.

It's funny that those who are will to take responsibility for themselves are seen as unenlightened haha.

Is 'unenlightened' urban patois for 'sucker'?

 

[col0016]

Wouldn't you be stage 1 because you don't think you should have to take responsibility for yourself? By actively encouraging a system where your choices are restricted and where if you make a mistake you know you can just take other peoples money. You support a system where a few people at the top are constantly starting wars and stealing from everybody in order to kill civilians overseas and you think that people who say you should never iniate violence have LOWER moral development? Get real kiddo.

It's funny that those who are will to take responsibility for themselves are seen as unenlightened haha.

Is 'unenlightened' urban patois for 'sucker'?

unenlightened (nnlatnd)
adj
1. not well-informed, tolerant, or rational: a most backward, unenlightened nation.

 

[SpacePete]

Is 'unenlightened' urban patois for 'sucker'?

unenlightened (nnlatnd)
adj
1. not well-informed, tolerant, or rational: a most backward, unenlightened nation.

If anyone is confused about which is which, about who is and who isn't enlightened, then Ambrose Bierce provides the answer:

 

[JulieW]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thinking outside the box (also thinking out of the box[1][2] or thinking beyond the box) is a metaphor that means to think differently, unconventionally, or from a new perspective. This phrase often refers to novel or creative thinking.

The term is thought to derive from management consultants in the 1970s and 1980s challenging their clients to solve the "nine dots" puzzle, whose solution requires some lateral thinking.[3]
The catchphrase, or clich, has become widely used in business environments, especially by management consultants and executive coaches, and has been referenced in a number of advertising slogans.

To think outside the box is to look farther and to try not thinking of the obvious things, but to try thinking of the things beyond them.

Patois is any language that is considered nonstandard, although the term is not formally defined in linguistics. It can refer to pidgins, creoles, dialects, and other forms of native or local speech, but not commonly to jargon or slang, which are vocabulary-based forms of Cant. Class distinctions are embedded in the term, drawn between those who speak patois and those who speak the standard or dominant language used in literature and public speaking,

 

[SpacePete]

I was speaking to someone today about Libertarianism and how it seems to be a "I want and it's mine screw everyone else selfish philosophy" it is regularly described as thinking like a 4 year old, it is mine, I am not going to share and I want it because it is mine.

They explained to me Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development.

As people develop they learn and develop morals, some people progress and their morals develop to higher levels, some people do not advance.

I have been informed Libertarians are at level 1 self interest....

What you were really doing was speaking to someone about what you thought Libertarianism is, not what it actually is.

Irony.

 

[willrocks]

As people develop they learn and develop morals, some people progress and their morals develop to higher levels, some people do not advance.

We call them socialists, communists, or fascists.

 

[SpacePete]

I was speaking to someone today about Libertarianism and how it seems to be a "I want and it's mine screw everyone else selfish philosophy" it is regularly described as thinking like a 4 year old, it is mine, I am not going to share and I want it because it is mine.

They explained to me Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development.

As people develop they learn and develop morals, some people progress and their morals develop to higher levels, some people do not advance.

I have been informed Libertarians are at level 1 self interest....
"Stage two (self-interest driven) expresses the "what's in it for me" position, in which right behavior is defined by whatever the individual believes to be in their best interest but understood in a narrow way which does not consider one's reputation or relationships to groups of people. Stage two reasoning shows a limited interest in the needs of others, but only to a point where it might further the individual's own interests. As a result, concern for others is not based on loyalty or intrinsic respect, but rather a "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." mentality.[2] The lack of a societal perspective in the pre-conventional level is quite different from the social contract (stage five), as all actions have the purpose of serving the individual's own needs or interests."

Basically selfish and will develop theories to back up there beliefs, justifying whatever moral transgressions no matter how crazy they may be. Due to stunted moral development.

People progress through the scale in order and as they grow older for most people anyway.

Morals are also not related to intelligence and just because someone's morals have not progressed it does not mean they are a bad person. It is like a child who does not want to share, they are not a bad child they are just at that stage of development.

You then go through the stages of development and you get to stage 5

"In Stage five (social contract driven), the world is viewed as holding different opinions, rights and values. Such perspectives should be mutually respected as unique to each person or community. Laws are regarded as social contracts rather than rigid edicts. Those that do not promote the general welfare should be changed when necessary to meet "the greatest good for the greatest number of people."[8] This is achieved through majority decision and inevitable compromise. Democratic government is ostensibly based on stage five reasoning."

Stage 5 is where you think of others and community, I asked why the hell can't someone at an earlier stage see the problem in their thinking and how thinking only about themselves and not the bigger picture just does not work in a community.

I was told that it is like trying to have a 5 year old do year 10 maths, they just have no concept or ability to understand it because they have not been taught and developed to that level.

Very interesting and I learnt a lot, so when people say Libertarians are a selfish bunch of turds who think along the lines of I got mine and screw everyone else you can direct them to
Kohlbergs stages of moral development

This stunted moral development has be confirmed in the largest study of Libertarian Psychology (nearly 12,000 Libertarians):

The Largest Study Ever of Libertarian Psychology

...we analyzed data from nearly twelve thousand self-described libertarians, and compared their responses to those of 21,000 conservatives and 97,000 liberals. The paper was just published last week in PLoS ONE. The findings largely confirm what libertarians have long said about themselves, but they also shed light on why some people and not others end up finding libertarian ideas appealing. Here are three of the major findings:

1) On moral values: Libertarians match liberals in placing a relatively low value on the moral foundations of loyalty, authority, and sanctity (e.g., they're not so concerned about sexual issues and flag burning), but they join conservatives in scoring lower than liberals on the care and fairness foundations (where fairness is mostly equality, not proportionality; e.g., they don't want a welfare state and heavy handed measures to enforce equality). This is why libertarians can't be placed on the spectrum from left to right: they have a unique pattern that is in no sense just somewhere in the middle. They really do put liberty above all other values.

2) On reasoning and emotions: Libertarians have the most "masculine" style, liberals the most "feminine." We used Simon Baron-Cohen's measures of "empathizing" (on which women tend to score higher) and "systemizing", which refers to "the drive to analyze the variables in a system, and to derive the underlying rules that govern the behavior of the system." Men tend to score higher on this variable. Libertarians score the lowest of the three groups on empathizing, and highest of the three groups on systemizing. (Note that we did this and all other analyses for males and females separately.) On this and other measures, libertarians consistently come out as the most cerebral, most rational, and least emotional. On a very crude problem solving measure related to IQ, they score the highest. Libertarians, more than liberals or conservatives, have the capacity to reason their way to their ideology.

3) On relationships: Libertarians are the most individualistic; they report the weakest ties to other people. They score lowest of the three groups on many traits related to sociability, including extroversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. They have a morality that matches their sociability one that emphasizes independence, rather than altruism or patriotism.

http://righteousmind.com/largest-study-of-libertarian-psych/

 

[mmm....shiney!]

I miss newtosilver, he had a perverse view of libertarianism. But any publicity is good publicity.