Large numbers of Fake Perth Mint and PAMP bars sold on eBay

spannermonkey said:
renovator said:
All this blaming Alibaba is ridiculous . Alibaba is just a trading platform they dont sell the goods the individual traders or companies do . Its no ones job in alibaba to weed out the fakes nowhere does it say on any trading platform Only 100% genuine goods sold here .

Doesnt matter if its ebay ,craigslist ,gumtree or alibaba its just somewhere to list goods & is not the fault of the trading platform .
Alibaba is a very good B2B sourcing platform for goods from all over the world not just china .
I always assumed it was for Chinese made companies :rolleyes:
Nah theres stuff from everywhere . Its predominately chinese but theres stuff from all over the world . If you do a search for something on the left side there is a country list where the business is from to select .
Usually the biggest profit margins are from chinese stuff thats why the market is flooded with ching fong gear.
 
renovator said:
All this blaming Alibaba is ridiculous . Alibaba is just a trading platform they dont sell the goods the individual traders or companies do . Its no ones job in alibaba to weed out the fakes nowhere does it say on any trading platform Only 100% genuine goods sold here .

Doesnt matter if its ebay ,craigslist ,gumtree or alibaba its just somewhere to list goods & is not the fault of the trading platform .
Alibaba is a very good B2B sourcing platform for goods from all over the world not just china .
Stupidity on display. That's one of the most idiotic comments I've seen here recently. Honestly, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Alibaba has been increasingly making efforts (at least they say they are) to ensure identified counterfeits are removed. They will be required to adhere to the legal regulations of the jurisdictions they operate within.

Alibaba Teams Up With U.K. Business Body to Fight Fakes: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/03/alibaba-teams-up-with-u-k-business-body-to-fight-fakes/

It's is also a violation of Alibaba's listing terms.

3.2 Each Member hereby represents, warrants and agrees that the use by such Member of the Service and the Site shall not:

a) contain fraudulent information or make fraudulent offers of items or involve the sale or attempted sale of counterfeit or stolen items or items whose sales and/or marketing is prohibited by applicable law, or otherwise promote other illegal activities;

b) be part of a scheme to defraud other Members or other users of the Site or for any other unlawful purpose;

c) infringe or otherwise abet or encourage the infringement or violation of any third party's copyright, patent, trademarks, trade secret or other proprietary right or rights of publicity and privacy or other legitimate rights;

d) impersonate any person or entity, misrepresent yourself or your affiliation with any person or entity;

e) violate any applicable law, statute, ordinance or regulation (including without limitation those governing export control, consumer protection, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising);

I eagerly await more rubbish form you on this.
 
SilverPete said:
renovator said:
All this blaming Alibaba is ridiculous . Alibaba is just a trading platform they dont sell the goods the individual traders or companies do . Its no ones job in alibaba to weed out the fakes nowhere does it say on any trading platform Only 100% genuine goods sold here .

Doesnt matter if its ebay ,craigslist ,gumtree or alibaba its just somewhere to list goods & is not the fault of the trading platform .
Alibaba is a very good B2B sourcing platform for goods from all over the world not just china .
Stupidity on display. That's one of the most idiotic comments I've seen here recently. Honestly, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Alibaba has been increasingly making efforts (at least they say they are) to ensure identified counterfeits are removed. They will be required to adhere to the legal regulations of the jurisdictions they operate within.

Alibaba Teams Up With U.K. Business Body to Fight Fakes: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/03/alibaba-teams-up-with-u-k-business-body-to-fight-fakes/

It's is also a violation of Alibaba's listing terms.

3.2 Each Member hereby represents, warrants and agrees that the use by such Member of the Service and the Site shall not:

a) contain fraudulent information or make fraudulent offers of items or involve the sale or attempted sale of counterfeit or stolen items or items whose sales and/or marketing is prohibited by applicable law, or otherwise promote other illegal activities;

b) be part of a scheme to defraud other Members or other users of the Site or for any other unlawful purpose;

c) infringe or otherwise abet or encourage the infringement or violation of any third party's copyright, patent, trademarks, trade secret or other proprietary right or rights of publicity and privacy or other legitimate rights;

d) impersonate any person or entity, misrepresent yourself or your affiliation with any person or entity;

e) violate any applicable law, statute, ordinance or regulation (including without limitation those governing export control, consumer protection, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising);

I eagerly await more rubbish form you on this.
lol & you believe it ? ...shows how much of a dumbarse you are . Even in your link it says "well they say they are " lol fk ur dumb.
You are just a keyboard warrior with no real life experience . I use the site a bit ...now go back to posting links while the adults source ,sample, arrange factory visits,,get freight quotes & buy .
 
renovator said:
SilverPete said:
I eagerly await more rubbish form you on this.

lol & you believe it ? ...shows how much of a dumbarse you are . Even in your link it says "well they say they are " lol fk ur dumb.
You are just a keyboard warrior with no real life experience . I use the site a bit ...now go back to posting links while the adults source ,sample, arrange factory visits,,get freight quotes & buy .
Delivered! LOL
 
renovator said:
lol & you believe it ? ...shows how much of a dumbarse you are . Even in your link it says "well they say they are " lol fk ur dumb.
You are just a keyboard warrior with no real life experience . I use the site a bit ...now go back to posting links while the adults source ,sample, arrange factory visits,,get freight quotes & buy .

Your jimmies were rustled so bad that you could barely put a sensible sentence together. Must suck when someone finally calls y out on your stupidity.

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^^ It is sad to see SS members fighting among themselves over irrelevant issues. :(

I have identified 4 eBay accounts all with the same geographic location in Springvale Victoria which sell these fake bars and coins.
I presume these accounts are the same person.

The other 2 Ebay accounts are : k-and-y (almost 1000 sales)
mr_golds

I have reported these to eBay and notified Ron Currie. With over 1500 of these out there (already sold) it is a real worry to the SS community.
 
Ronnie 666 said:
I have identified 4 eBay accounts all with the same geographic location in Springvale Victoria which sell these fake bars and coins.
I presume these accounts are the same person.

I have reported these to eBay and notified Ron Currie. With over 1500 of these out there (already sold) it is a real worry to the SS community.
If they are Australian currency coins made available in Australia then the AFP should be very interested in hearing about it: http://www.afp.gov.au/policing/counterfeit-currency.aspx

"Legislation
All State, Territory and Federal police are authorised under the Crimes (Currency) Act 1981 to seize and prosecute currency related matters. The legislation covers domestic and foreign currencies (including US dollars and Euros)."
 
Counterfeit Aussie gold sold in China

An Australian mint has called in the Federal Police after being shown evidence by Seven News that its gold bars are being counterfeited.

The investigation uncovered Chinese 'forgery factories' that will churn out fake bullion and even Australian coins, for a fraction of their face value.

"There are some poor people out there who have gone and bought these products thinking they've got a bargain and have actually been ripped off," Ron Currie from the Perth Mint said.

At Wenzhou, in China's south east, a suspicious discovery is made after taking a tour of one factory that makes medals and badges - there are thousands of samples.

On the front is stamped "Perth Mint Australia", on the back are kangaroos - a close copy of the actual design used by the mint.

The worker doesn't hold back when quizzed about the procedure.

"First we did the silver plating, then the gold plating," he said.

What should be valued at $510,000, is actually counterfeited gold bars that Seven News paid $300 for (300 pieces at $1 each).

Mr Currie says while the number reaching Australia is relatively small, the damage can be significant - but there are tell-tale signs.

"If it looks like a deal that's too good to refuse - you should refuse it. Secondly the quality - the quality is nowhere near as good as the real product," he said.

"We'll of course follow it through and take it up with the Australian Federal Police.

"The Australian Federal police are very helpful and are very interested in stopping counterfeits or copies coming into Australia."

China has long forged Western products, but this is altogether different because it has the potential to do so much harm.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/15182799/counterfeit-aussie-gold-sold-in-china/
 
SilverPete said:
Counterfeit Aussie gold sold in China

Mr Currie says while the number reaching Australia is relatively small, the damage can be significant - but there are tell-tale signs.

Well the numbers are no longer small and I hope the AFP get on top of this quickly. If Ron sees this post please let us know what is happening.
 
As of today all sellers of these fake bars and legal tender coins are still selling on eBay. Twenty eight (28 ) bars / coins sold in the last 48 hours. Who would want these fake bars ? The only reason to buy them is to defraud the unsuspecting public. Please Ron and the PM shut this down!! I have lodged over 50 complaints to EBay and nothing has happened. Every single SS should be lodging complaints to overwhelm them.

I have no doubt that were these $50 or $100 notes the AFP would have these goons in custody ! This is no different to a $100 note. Why has nothing happened?
 
Every single SS should be lodging complaints to overwhelm them.

Agree!

If folk use the "Report item" on the sellers page, eBay may eventually get the message; also, contact the seller. I've spent hours reporting counterfeit items in the last 12 months.
 
New postings today

1. Year of the dragon proof coins eBay Auction no 161438686478
2. Year of the snake colored coin eBay Auction no 161438686441
3. Year of the horse colored coin eBay Auction no 151428795451

from Niue ?????

4. Year of the tiger 1oz "gold" eBay Auction no 151428795506

(from Australia - hahaha)

This idiot has 56 listings right now (goldendragonzz)

A new account has popped up also from Springvale, VIC

omg_dealzz (265 sales)

His negative ratings are all about his products containing less gold than advertised ??? :D :D :D

The longer this goes on the more PM products will be compromised.
 
Ronnie 666 said:
New postings today.
I just checked using the eBay app and found some real dodgy stuff likely from the same seller. Will try to report them from the app (haven't tried it before).
 
Finding fake kilo gold bars from sellers in Springvale - Perth Mint and Baird brands.
 
Found one answer on Answers.com:

What is the Australian policies for selling replica coins?
Phil Lewis Answered Last

It seems that Australia does not have a policy to speak of as far as selling "replica", "copy", "facsimile" or "fantasy" coins is concerned.

It also seems that Australia might be dragging the chain on the issue. Many other countries are required to have "COPY" or some similar marking on replica coins.

The Royal Australian Mint advises that there is a process of approval to go through before any Australian coin can be produced. The Royal Australian Mint and the Perth Mint are the only two Mints in Australia that have any authorisation to produce Australian coins, whether they be circulating or non-circulating legal tender.

Replica coins seem to be sold freely on the internet, although there appears to be a growing swell of resentment and condemnation concerning the sale of replicas, probably due to misleading advertising, if not downright lies.

I would suggest, that to avoid any unpleasantness, that any replica coin you might be selling, be clearly and without doubt, advertised as a "replica" coin, and priced accordingly.
 
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