madaw1
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Do you not believe conspiracies actually exist? Or are they all just 'conspiracy theories'?
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I think conspiracies begin when people begin to notice something odd with the narrative, and as more info comes out the official story gets more and more unbelievable. For me the official covid story has become so ridiculous that I struggle to see how other's are still believing it.For the purpose of this post I'm using this definition, because it suits my secretly nefarious intentions. Oops, is it still a secret it if I admit it?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/conspiracy
Well if it were a conspiracy then it would be a secret. And if it were a secret then no one else would know. So all of these people who "know" are simply speculating.
If others did know the truth then it wouldn't be a secret and therefore, there would be no conspiracy. Evaporating in a puff of logic.
I suppose there's still people who believe Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide, or maybe there are weapons of mass destruction in IRAQ but they just haven't found them yet.
You're probably right there. Although the opposite can indeed happen too, and the alternative narrative becomes less and less justifiable.
I like this one:
Not a new idea at all as it's already been done in Sweden, and worked very well. There was no destruction of the economy, or suicides, or 33% increase in children self-harming like we have here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...g-end-up-in-hospital-emergency-rooms/12532040
Sweden GDP:
https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth
Sweden unemployment:
https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/unemployment-rate
So they're only slightly better than most of Europe. So if Sweden's economy is failing even without them destroying it themselves there might be something in that other conspiracy theory, that the European economy was going to collapse anyhow, and the authorities wanted everyone to blame covid and not the corrupt banking system.
Sweden GDP:
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I guess that's one explanation. 
Here's another.
We'll acknowledge that the system is fkd, that crony-capitalism favours some at the expense of others (let's call it corruption but not leave it entirely on the bankster's doorstep) but that it took a genuine (read = not fake) black-swan event for people, and more slowly politicians, to question how governments function and more importantly how they finance themselves. Because that's how black-swan events unfold.
The mantra for the past decade at least has been austerity, and debt reduction, holding up the PIIGS as being the the prime motive for adopting such policy. But the policies of austerity and debt reduction don't work to the benefit of the people because they result in the withdrawal of wealth from the wider private sector and a consequent decline in productivity and wealth and a balance-sheet recessionary environment.
So rather than cover up the imminent collapse with let's call it a fake virus, the alternative (and in my opinion more plausible explanation) is this "fake" virus simply exposed the soft underbelly of on the one hand a system that refuses to acknowledge the reality of how governments finance themselves ie what Central Bankers generally believe and maybe Jerome Powell is an exception, with on the other hand a system that is incapable of understanding the reality of how governments finance themselves ie politicians single-handedly interested in appeasing loud-mouthed special interest groups for their own gain.
The economy was dying, it took this "fake" virus to crash it. It has been terminally ill for at least 10 years. That's not a conspiracy, it's fact. It's possible that the virus just happened along, entirely naturally and that the steps that governments took (with the best of intentions based on fear of the alternative or maybe other more sinister intentions, that's not really important) hastened the demise of our already failing financial and economic systems.
So to summarise, they didn't invent it to cover up an imminent and expected crash in the world economy, it was the catalyst.
That's another explanation anyway.
But the simplest solution is just for governments to spend.
Here's another.
We'll acknowledge that the system is fkd, that crony-capitalism favours some at the expense of others (let's call it corruption but not leave it entirely on the bankster's doorstep) but that it took a genuine (read = not fake) black-swan event for people, and more slowly politicians, to question how governments function and more importantly how they finance themselves. Because that's how black-swan events unfold.
The mantra for the past decade at least has been austerity, and debt reduction, holding up the PIIGS as being the the prime motive for adopting such policy. But the policies of austerity and debt reduction don't work to the benefit of the people because they result in the withdrawal of wealth from the wider private sector and a consequent decline in productivity and wealth and a balance-sheet recessionary environment.
So rather than cover up the imminent collapse with let's call it a fake virus, the alternative (and in my opinion more plausible explanation) is this "fake" virus simply exposed the soft underbelly of on the one hand a system that refuses to acknowledge the reality of how governments finance themselves ie what Central Bankers generally believe and maybe Jerome Powell is an exception, with on the other hand a system that is incapable of understanding the reality of how governments finance themselves ie politicians single-handedly interested in appeasing loud-mouthed special interest groups for their own gain.
The economy was dying, it took this "fake" virus to crash it. It has been terminally ill for at least 10 years. That's not a conspiracy, it's fact. It's possible that the virus just happened along, entirely naturally and that the steps that governments took (with the best of intentions based on fear of the alternative or maybe other more sinister intentions, that's not really important) hastened the demise of our already failing financial and economic systems.
So to summarise, they didn't invent it to cover up an imminent and expected crash in the world economy, it was the catalyst.
That's another explanation anyway.
But the simplest solution is just for governments to spend.
The problem is they almost always spend it on the wrong things or the money ends up in the wrong hands. How is that ever going to change.
The government we have today reflect the majority of people. Garbage people = garbage government. That makes the system very hard to fix unfortunately.
Here is an example of what could have been built in Australia. High quality highways with no speed limit.
Germany "Lets allow only good cars, teach real driving and let them drive has fast as they want.
Australia "Lets allow shitbox cars, not teach real driving and baby them their whole life. Oh and fine the crap out of them if they do 112 in a 110 zone.
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So we're faced with 2 choices because the 3rd choice, my preferred solution won't get much traction.
1. governments maintain with their austerity mindset and persist in trying to achieve budget deficits, or
2. they acknowledge the reality of how governments are financed and spend
The first solution hurts everyone, except maybe bureaucrats and a few mates. The second one is good for everyone, except maybe for a few mates for whom it's even better.
The 2nd solution is probably the most preferred option.
madaw1
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You are right-we are laughing now (people who were able to lift his/her awareness to higher level) from our thinking 40 years ago about aids--the same will happen to this Virus hysteria in the years to come....Most definitely.
I remember going out at night in the 80’s and clubs and pubs had dispensers in the toilets which had paper seat covers in them. Apparently they were designed to prevent the spread of aids.
Of course only the stupid and gullible believed you could get aids from toilet seats.
Fortunately with the advances in modern science and education there aren’t that many stupid and gullible around who believe in any old crazy theory they’re told anymore.
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madaw1
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As long as doesn't affect his family...nothing to say more as long as Victorian are happy...
Very well put together and presented.
That quote appears to be from a satire piece, but I could be wrong.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/0...r-a-jackboot-its-not-only-selfish-its-stupid/
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