Is Tax a neccesary evil ?

bordsilver said:
DanDee said:
My point exactly! What action are you referring to?? What are we supposed to do?? Don't YOU know??? Sitting at the computer bemoaning the sorry state our country is in? whingeing about being robbed, bitching about being enslaved, Complaining about how it's all a Ponzi scheme, That's your action? Who's DOING anything? Who has even suggested any course of action?
Too much talk, no action.
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Hawkeye answered this. Contrary to creating a communist economy within a short timeframe by killing all opposition with no regard to human welfare and then applying the thumbscrews economically, mentally and physically to continue the revolution (aka Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and even pre-WWII Germany & Italy in terms of fascism), the Libertarian agenda is anti-violence and having personal and local community responsibility and initiative. Such a system initially requires a significant cultural and intellectual rebellion not a violent one - aka the relevant early American history which flowed through the 1800's to the early 1900's before entering its demise principally through corruption of the monetary system.

In Australia, we shouldn't need (or particularly want) violent action - particularly as this is typically very destructive. In the near term, if all that happened was that the Liberal Party was held to what it pretends to advocate in its party constitution we would be significantly closer to achieving the society we want. In contrast to the Hawke/Keating era the majority of the current ALP regime HAS been following the ALP Constitution (as internally inconsistent as it is) and more of the same erosion of freedoms and individuality is what we should expect from them.
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Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
DanDee said:
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
What kind of action exactly were you referring to then?
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My point exactly! What action are you referring to?? What are we supposed to do?? Don't YOU know??? Sitting at the computer bemoaning the sorry state our country is in? whingeing about being robbed, bitching about being enslaved, Complaining about how it's all a Ponzi scheme, That's your action? Who's DOING anything? Who has even suggested any course of action?
Too much talk, no action.
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Mate - maybe your brain has dried up from old age, not sure. you obviously don't know sh1t about what i do and don't do outside of this site.
For what it's worth, i'm pretty active in politics and do way more than the average citizen does in trying to get my ideas heard and get attention drawn to issues i think warrent attention.

you on the other hand are too yellow bellied to even utter the words of what you are clearly implying by "action".

What the f.ck are YOU doing about things?
oops - i forgot - you're a gubmint lover, so am quite happy to defend the indefensible...

grow up!!
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yep, you're right, I don't know what you do outside this site, and I don't really care, but " trying to get my ideas heard and get attention drawn to issues i think warrent attention."
really? is that it? so you're talking? good for you. is it achieving anything? I hope so.

I'm not " too yellow bellied to even utter the words of what you are clearly implying by "action" simply because I don't think there is a plausible course of action that would be enacted by enough of the population to make a real difference.

And lastly, What am I doing about it? well I'll tell ya. I'm preppin' :lol:
Contrary to being a "gubmint" lover, I find it best to find ways to avoid the nasty side of being "governed"
 
DanDee said:
And lastly, What am I doing about it? well I'll tell ya. I'm preppin'
That's why I'm not doing anything about it.
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And along with some of the other guys on here, you're damn inspirational too IMHO. I gotta start getting resources aside and encourage the missus to give up some of life's luxuries and do the same. Even stacking 30kg of rice like Auspm is a start.
 
This is why Australia is heading down the gurgler. Internationalists want to turn patriotic Australians into second class citizens whilst defending the actions of anti-Australian minority groups. And so much for freedom of speech.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/12/13/15/01/alan-jones-ordered-to-apologise-tribunal

Basically Alan Jones (well known Sydney radio host) called certain Lebanese Muslim youth "mongrels" and "vermin" because of their generally criminal, intimidatory behaviour and contempt of the law and all things Australian.

Now he has been forced to apologise by some anti-discrimination tribunal. Who is forcing these young thugs to apologise to the victims of their crimes and intimidation? No one!

They are free to roam around, and basically terrorise Sydney. This is the reward of our wonderful post 70s immigration system.

As for the tribunal, this is the sort of money wasting rot that started with Whitlam and is only going to get worse.
 
bordsilver said:
DanDee said:
And lastly, What am I doing about it? well I'll tell ya. I'm preppin'
That's why I'm not doing anything about it.
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And along with some of the other guys on here, you're damn inspirational too IMHO. I gotta start getting resources aside and encourage the missus to give up some of life's luxuries and do the same. Even stacking 30kg of rice like Auspm is a start.
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Aw shucks, now ya makin me blush :)
 
Byron said:
This is why Australia is heading down the gurgler. Internationalists want to turn patriotic Australians into second class citizens whilst defending the actions of anti-Australian minority groups. And so much for freedom of speech.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/12/13/15/01/alan-jones-ordered-to-apologise-tribunal

Basically Alan Jones (well known Sydney radio host) called certain Lebanese Muslim youth "mongrels" and "vermin" because of their generally criminal, intimidatory behaviour and contempt of the law and all things Australian.

Now he has been forced to apologise by some anti-discrimination tribunal. Who is forcing these young thugs to apologise to the victims of their crimes and intimidation? No one!

They are free to roam around, and basically terrorise Sydney. This is the reward of our wonderful post 70s immigration system.

As for the tribunal, this is the sort of money wasting rot that started with Whitlam and is only going to get worse.
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Fully agree with you about this anti-freedom of speech cr@p. Alan Jones is a shining light even if I do think he's an self-obsessed, populist, opinionated moron most of the time. (Probably more appropriate in the "What if we couldn't write.." thread though.)

Remember this guy from last year? http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...sergio-redegalli/story-e6frf7jx-1225990694187 He's a brave man. No idea what has happened in the past 12 months though :/

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radiobirdman said:
So we cut all taxes, what happens to the millions of people on some form of handout, dole bludgers,pensioners,the disabled,
subsidised child care,medical rebates,family tax benifits, etc etc . millions of public servants who will lose there jobs ,
industry getting handouts to compete with cheap labour overseas . would we let people starve in the streets, would people need the religous fanatics to feed them .
interested how we could go to being tax free and not have a huge depression
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No, we would kick them into a very deep pit... Just like the good old days!
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Byron said:
This is why Australia is heading down the gurgler. Internationalists want to turn patriotic Australians into second class citizens whilst defending the actions of anti-Australian minority groups. And so much for freedom of speech.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/12/13/15/01/alan-jones-ordered-to-apologise-tribunal

Basically Alan Jones (well known Sydney radio host) called certain Lebanese Muslim youth "mongrels" and "vermin" because of their generally criminal, intimidatory behaviour and contempt of the law and all things Australian.

Now he has been forced to apologise by some anti-discrimination tribunal. Who is forcing these young thugs to apologise to the victims of their crimes and intimidation? No one!

They are free to roam around, and basically terrorise Sydney. This is the reward of our wonderful post 70s immigration system.

As for the tribunal, this is the sort of money wasting rot that started with Whitlam and is only going to get worse.
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Those scum should all be deported back to Lebanon or whereever else in the Middle East their parents hail from...
 
mmm....shiney! said:
And as far as mountains of trash in Asia, it's got nothing to do with patriotism, it's hygiene and a lack of care for their wider environment that is the cause of that. Singapore has draconian legislation in place.
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Rubbish, it's individuals in those countries not giving a crap about their own country or anyone else other than their family/tribe/religion. If individuals took more responsibility for their own actions in regards to the environment (trash to start with) then the "wider environment" would fall in line as the attitude and pride in the country improved.
 
Lovey80 said:
mmm....shiney! said:
And as far as mountains of trash in Asia, it's got nothing to do with patriotism, it's hygiene and a lack of care for their wider environment that is the cause of that. Singapore has draconian legislation in place.
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Rubbish, it's individuals in those countries not giving a crap about their own country or anyone else other than their family/tribe/religion. If individuals took more responsibility for their own actions in regards to the environment (trash to start with) then the "wider environment" would fall in line as the attitude and pride in the country improved.
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You realise strong nationalism and individual responsibility are, if not complete opposites, close enough. The whole idea in Australia is about not being responsible for anything and the govt looks after us. That's what being Australian is all about.

I thought you were small government. You don't seem to grasp the connection between big government and nationalism.
 
mmm....shiney! said:
And as far as mountains of trash in Asia, it's got nothing to do with patriotism, it's hygiene and a lack of care for their wider environment that is the cause of that. Singapore has draconian legislation in place.
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Lovey80 said:
Rubbish, it's individuals in those countries not giving a crap about their own country or anyone else other than their family/tribe/religion. If individuals took more responsibility for their own actions in regards to the environment (trash to start with) then the "wider environment" would fall in line as the attitude and pride in the country improved.
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"rubbish" - unintentional pun??? :lol:
 
jpanggy said:
this thread is so close to getting locked.
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Why?

Next time these thugs, abuse, almost physically attack your elderly mother and damage her car, are you going to give them flowers?
 
Byron said:
jpanggy said:
this thread is so close to getting locked.
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Why?

Next time these thugs, abuse, almost physically attack your elderly mother and damage her car, are you going to give them flowers?
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No. I can't post what I give in return to those actions.
 
You can't deport people who were born here. That's ridiculous. If it was done it should be for everyone's backgraounds including the anglo saxon countries. Again, a ridiculous notion.
 
geewiz said:
You can't deport people who were born here. That's ridiculous. If it was done it should be for everyone's backgraounds including the anglo saxon countries. Again, a ridiculous notion.
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Well it depends. Some children I shared a school with a few decades ago didn't identify as Australian. They identified with their ancestry - Syrian. And they said in those schoolyard discussions that if a war between Australia and Syria happened, they would go off to fight for Syria.

That is a simplistic childish sounding example but fast forward to my adult life I've come across the same attitude with adults from certain ethnicities from a certain area of the world. They are born here and identify with a place their grandfather left. Copts, Lebanese Christians and Assyrians, on the other hand, the ones I know identify as Australian as they know their homeland demographic changes negatively with every generation and they can never go back, they are now Australian.

And yes I know I'm talking in absolutes and there will be people of all groups with the exact views as I've displayed here.

Anyway how did we get onto this topic from taxes???
 
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