Inflation news - going backwards with a boom

[renovator]

As a consumer, I find that a key issue is that quality chicken is largely a product of value-adding through ingredients/marketing that any random joe can cook it at home without screwing it up whereas quality red meat (notably cow) is a product of ageing, marbling etc that requires a good understanding of how to prepare/cook.

You are serious?

There is no such thing as quality chicken, or if there is, it's only what you raise yourself. Chicken meat is the most boring flavourless substance on the planet only surpassing tofu burgers or mouldy socks or old newspaper.

You are correct though when you talk about value adding, it is an integral part of providing a service. Most butchers have have kebabs or marinated meats already prepared, as do coles and Woolies. As far as a good understanding how to buy or cook quality red meat? Just do this, go to a butcher, ask for a quality cut of meat. Then take it home, using a bbq with a grill not a flat plate chalk up both burners fully hot, super turtle-heading hot, after it is super turtle-heading hot turn off one side, chuck the meat on the turned off side, after a couple of minutes turn the meat sideways to get a criss-cross pattern (not coz it tastes any better just because it looks good), then after a couple of minutes flip the cut of meat onto the other half off the grill, light up the used side, turn off the side you are cooking with. Then relax.

Of course if this sounds too difficult just use an everdure e-Churrasco, you cannot turtle up a steak on one of these, as long as you buy quality and only flip it once. They are dirt cheap, buy 2 or 3 of them while you are at it.

I'll know if you flip it more than once, i can smell it from here.

I know thats the way your supposed to do it but i wait until the blood sits on top of the meat after youve turned it then turn it again for a minute to get the cooked blood for the gravy

 

[mmm....shiney!]

As a consumer, I find that a key issue is that quality chicken is largely a product of value-adding through ingredients/marketing that any random joe can cook it at home without screwing it up whereas quality red meat (notably cow) is a product of ageing, marbling etc that requires a good understanding of how to prepare/cook.

You are serious?

There is no such thing as quality chicken, or if there is, it's only what you raise yourself. Chicken meat is the most boring flavourless substance on the planet only surpassing tofu burgers or mouldy socks or old newspaper.

You are correct though when you talk about value adding, it is an integral part of providing a service. Most butchers have have kebabs or marinated meats already prepared, as do coles and Woolies. As far as a good understanding how to buy or cook quality red meat? Just do this, go to a butcher, ask for a quality cut of meat. Then take it home, using a bbq with a grill not a flat plate chalk up both burners fully hot, super turtle-heading hot, after it is super turtle-heading hot turn off one side, chuck the meat on the turned off side, after a couple of minutes turn the meat sideways to get a criss-cross pattern (not coz it tastes any better just because it looks good), then after a couple of minutes flip the cut of meat onto the other half off the grill, light up the used side, turn off the side you are cooking with. Then relax.

Of course if this sounds too difficult just use an everdure e-Churrasco, you cannot turtle up a steak on one of these, as long as you buy quality and only flip it once. They are dirt cheap, buy 2 or 3 of them while you are at it.

I'll know if you flip it more than once, i can smell it from here.

I know thats the way your supposed to do it but i wait until the blood sits on top of the meat after youve turned it then turn it again for a minute to get the cooked blood for the gravy

Nothing wrong with that, that's medium.

edit to add: but I'm only talking turn it once. Put it on the grill, wait till the juices form at the top, then turn. Don't turn it twice.

 

[bordsilver]

^^^ Sorry I meant "quality of chicken".

Maybe we should turn this into a cooking thread? I cook great potatoes (but crap nearly everything else) :lol:

 

[bordsilver]

...and good point RE kebabs. I forgot about those.

 

[mmm....shiney!]

Maybe we should turn this into a cooking thread?

we've had one of those in the past :lol:

 

[renovator]

Maybe we should turn this into a cooking thread?

we've had one of those in the past :lol:

Yep & even a vegetarian one which from memory was good for a few laughs

 

[mmm....shiney!]

I know thats the way your supposed to do it but i wait until the blood sits on top of the meat after youve turned it then turn it again for a minute to get the cooked blood for the gravy

Obviously you use a flat plate or you couldn't save the juices for gravy. And like I say to my customers, it's not blood, that drained away when the beast was killed. It's juice, juice.

 

[Eureka Moments]

I know thats the way your supposed to do it but i wait until the blood sits on top of the meat after youve turned it then turn it again for a minute to get the cooked blood for the gravy

Obviously you use a flat plate or you couldn't save the juices for gravy. And like I say to my customers, it's not blood, that drained away when the beast was killed. It's juice, juice.

Not juice, water. Tell them the cows drink the water where mount franklin spring water comes from and they'll all want some.

Charge them extra for a "spring-water steak". :lol:

 

[Guest]

I label him as a whinger because he wont put his money where his mouth is . He comes on here all guns a blazing with the same shite day in & day out so we offer up solutions & he just turns to name calling & insults . If you have children you should know the routine "i dont want to " & you saying its in their best interests if they do ...nothing more than that one day he might get it through his thick head that his aversion to debt & alternative money making is whats keeping him down not the fractional reserve banking cartel

Geewiz it took the same determination back then that it does today it just takes longer . The principles havent changed.

I agree that a person needs determination to make it in any decade. I also beleive that we as individuals have to work with what we are given and if times are tough we need to get on with it and get tougher.

I don't see the point of butting heads with somebody with different thinking. I can understand if you genuinely care for aus's financial well being

Ive said it before i do it for the younger members so they dont get impressed by his long winded posts ( he has got a way with words ) they sound good but when you scratch deeper they have no substance only morality & morality wont feed you or pay the bills I know how impressionable young people are & dont want them to be in the same position as him at his age ...

Believe it or not i dont hate him at all i feel a bit sorry for him to be honest .To be middle aged with no assets no family home & no outlook or plan for the future to change his situation iwould be soul destroying & sometimes i understand why he is so angry but im the type of person who doesnt pass it on .if you know what i mean . Weve all met someone who has had a problem then upsets everybody around then turning the whole scene to crap . & i feel he does that here at times..passing on the negatives in his own life to others . Myself & others try to put a positive spin onto an otherwise grey area that depresses a lot just to think about it . Theres nothing wrong with shining the light so people can make their own way out .

I see your point but regardless I beleive auspm has some good points. Maybe if the younger members took on board a bit of what aus sais and did the same of you or even that informative but uncouth guy who talks about real estate it would be beneficial for them.

 

[Kawa]

rather interesting thread. getting investors in is dodgy. to them not to you, the guys in the game call it blue sky, gotta have lots of blue sky with the right names and its a winner. i find it very sad when the old people get caught up in the hype.

using savings in your business is not much good either, you might lose your savings. not much tax benefit from using your own money, yes you can claim it on your loan account interest but then it is swings and roundabouts and then you get taxed when it comes back to you.

using the banks money is a lot smarter and they will have more recourse on you than a bunch of mates family friends and fools.

i bought a new toy and the bank guy said to me that 7% is a pretty average profit, i am thinking its not even worth getting out of bed for.

and for business make more profit and less turnover.

If its 7% of $10,000,000 then that's worth getting out of bed for at least 12 months?

 

[willrocks]

Which are the majority of small businesses around. So it gets back to my point, how does a small business raise capital?

It has to put it's reputation and skills on the line and BORROW.

What's wrong with that?

Backing their own ability. The great Aussie tradition.

And a time honoured method of growing.

So what's wrong with saving some cash before going into business?

They're not "backing their own ability" by borrowing. They're asking everyone to carry them, via the bankers running their factional reserve ponzi scheme.

My wife is an accountant, she used to do tax returns for small businesses. The number of small business owners who couldn't run a chook raffle, let alone a business is astounding. The number of these winding up in the first few years shocked me.

I think you need to start your own business then tell us about how your buying stock paying wages /super maybe some rent & then tell us how you go with your savings that you had before you started it . Most savings from my experience get sunk into the expansion phase then one day it runs out . The business is usually going good but further expansion would put you on the next level this is where the debt comes into the equation .

If you have succeeded in doing so share your experience & how you done it so others can benefit from your experience & knowledge .

That's why it's easier to buy a business as a going concern. I've done that from my own savings.

 

[bordsilver]

I think you need to start your own business then tell us about how your buying stock paying wages /super maybe some rent & then tell us how you go with your savings that you had before you started it . Most savings from my experience get sunk into the expansion phase then one day it runs out . The business is usually going good but further expansion would put you on the next level this is where the debt comes into the equation .

If you have succeeded in doing so share your experience & how you done it so others can benefit from your experience & knowledge .

That's why it's easier to buy a business as a going concern. I've done that from my own savings.

+1.
I'm not some fantastic entrepreneur (yet). Besides my first part time business which had minimal set up costs (mostly time and a few $'000 in cash), to date I've only gone into existing operations.

The specific details are no doubt wrong but when my brother started out, he worked from home for the first few months before getting enough cash flow to get an office and start hiring staff. From there it was essentially incremental expansion through organic growth for the next couple of years at which stage he started doing bolt-on acquisitions. It was either the second or third of which that needed him to look for investors which I believe were a mix of others already in the business but with a couple of large silent equity partners. One of the biggest issues was being willing to bid for large new contracts that required large recruitment and rapid expansion to occur if they won. That's a pretty big risk to take on and requires very good logistical skills (which he possesses). Hearing stories on the side, it hasn't all been smooth sailing. Integrating pre-existing businesses with completely different cultures and business models can be a bit tricky and can send people undone very quickly. I reckon if I tried the same things I'd totally screw it up within 12 months.

Primarily I think the message we're trying to tell you is that it is not necessary to succeed and fund growth through ponzi bank debt. Yes, millions of people do it, but millions of people also don't understand the nature of the banking system.

 

[Guest]

I label him as a whinger because he wont put his money where his mouth is . He comes on here all guns a blazing with the same shite day in & day out so we offer up solutions & he just turns to name calling & insults . If you have children you should know the routine "i dont want to " & you saying its in their best interests if they do ...nothing more than that one day he might get it through his thick head that his aversion to debt & alternative money making is whats keeping him down not the fractional reserve banking cartel

Geewiz it took the same determination back then that it does today it just takes longer . The principles havent changed.

No you dickhead. I give you crap because you lord over the debtor 'it's my way or the highway' ideology day and night around here and assume any and all future results are based on your personal experience.

You have absolutely no concept or appreciation of sound and ethical business that doesn't step from borrowing and fail to appreciate that when you started in your game, the climate was different.

Your investment business is participation in a rigged ponzi scheme and you label anyone who's not willing to jump in on a bottom rung an 'idiot'?

You stand up and denounce those who cannot (or will not leverage) to get ahead and say 'get a better job' without considering the rammifications of such a statement.

What of our core service working industry in this country? Teachers, Nurses, Cops, Ambos, Garbos and other essential service workers?

If they complain about the cost of living whilst being stuck on a fixed, non-negotiable wage whilst the debtors continue to devalue cash in the system through endless leveraged speculative investment, what's your answer?

Essentially, that they should all go get another job that pays more, join the same scam you're into and the magical whiny fairly will pick up the slack to keep society functioning so you can continue to siphon from it?


You live in a delusional world where the ends always justify the means, no matter what the cost or who is harmed in the process.

I give you crap because you're just one of a series of debtor speculators I've heard spout endless industry propaganda for years, based on greed or fear (you've selected both in the past) and then denounce anyone or anything who doesn't adopt the same ideal.

In this thread already you claimed that 'Well i would say that he is a very smart man & not indicative of 99% of people or businesses' - Clearly and obviously, this includes yourself which is why you piss on anyone who denounces your methods and assumes that if you can somehow make it where you couldn't, they MUST be in that magical 1%?

You are so narrow in your mindset you don't entertain the possibility of doing anything a different way. You constantly denounce the system for it's corruption and then say that playing their rigged game is the only (smart?) way of getting ahead.

Perhaps if you were raised properly in a nurturing environment you wouldn't be so socially retarded and narrow minded in your methods?


This is the reason why I don't detail a damn thing to you about my personal financial and economic situation. Not only is it none of your damn business anyway, but I know you'll simply use it as another dick waving contest to further justify your own mindset.

Others here have detailed other methods of getting ahead, without debt and leverage and look how quickly you shit all over them?

I absolutely wouldn't even waste my time trying to convince you of any other solution because at the end of the day, you don't care anyway and will still assume your method was the best, regardless.

 

[lucky luke]

& still scoffing at it now .. I will say the same thing for those who might not have been around then .....MAKE MORE MONEY !!!!

All the complaining in the world wont make a difference but making more money will . Its simple logic you dont need to have a university degree to work that out ..

Theres millions of people that survive & thrive in todays economy so it cant be too bad or as impossible as you make it out to be . Theres two distinct types of people in the world some just do what it takes others that dont /cant /wont.

One of your worst posts to date. Simple-minded. Black & white. Belligerent. And downright stupid. You'd be cheering Marie Antoinette when she said "Let them eat cake". :|

 

[lucky luke]

............ Aus this is where your wrong there is no goading & trolling i admit a little baiting its just the way you take it . I throw a bait out to see if you will ....................

 

[lucky luke]

............As for day care most kids wont even remember it when theyre older so no harm done

You really have no idea.

 

[lucky luke]

..........If you have succeeded in doing so share your experience & how you done it so others can benefit from your experience & knowledge .

It would seem that you base your entire credibility on this site on your supposed financial success (implicitely at the expense of others). What appears seriously lacking is any culture, ethics, morality, social obligation/responsibility etc. In short, your experience and knowledge is shallow in terms of its value to the majority of people who know what the term "community" means.

Edit: Four posts in a row over the last half an hour. A bit quiet around here. Guess I'm the only dole bludger on the forum while every-one else must be out working hard to put food on the table.

 

[lucky luke]

...........Believe it or not i dont hate him at all i feel a bit sorry for him to be honest .To be middle aged with no assets no family home & no outlook or plan for the future to change his situation iwould be soul destroying & sometimes i understand why he is so angry but im the type of person who doesnt pass it on .if you know what i mean . Weve all met someone who has had a problem then upsets everybody around then turning the whole scene to crap . & i feel he does that here at times..passing on the negatives in his own life to others . Myself & others try to put a positive spin onto an otherwise grey area that depresses a lot just to think about it . Theres nothing wrong with shining the light so people can make their own way out .

Sanctimonious B/S.

 

[renovator]

I label him as a whinger because he wont put his money where his mouth is . He comes on here all guns a blazing with the same shite day in & day out so we offer up solutions & he just turns to name calling & insults . If you have children you should know the routine "i dont want to " & you saying its in their best interests if they do ...nothing more than that one day he might get it through his thick head that his aversion to debt & alternative money making is whats keeping him down not the fractional reserve banking cartel

Geewiz it took the same determination back then that it does today it just takes longer . The principles havent changed.

No you dickhead. I give you crap because you lord over the debtor 'it's my way or the highway' ideology day and night around here and assume any and all future results are based on your personal experience.

You have absolutely no concept or appreciation of sound and ethical business that doesn't step from borrowing and fail to appreciate that when you started in your game, the climate was different.

Your investment business is participation in a rigged ponzi scheme and you label anyone who's not willing to jump in on a bottom rung an 'idiot'?

You stand up and denounce those who cannot (or will not leverage) to get ahead and say 'get a better job' without considering the rammifications of such a statement.

What of our core service working industry in this country? Teachers, Nurses, Cops, Ambos, Garbos and other essential service workers?

If they complain about the cost of living whilst being stuck on a fixed, non-negotiable wage whilst the debtors continue to devalue cash in the system through endless leveraged speculative investment, what's your answer?

Essentially, that they should all go get another job that pays more, join the same scam you're into and the magical whiny fairly will pick up the slack to keep society functioning so you can continue to siphon from it?


You live in a delusional world where the ends always justify the means, no matter what the cost or who is harmed in the process.

I give you crap because you're just one of a series of debtor speculators I've heard spout endless industry propaganda for years, based on greed or fear (you've selected both in the past) and then denounce anyone or anything who doesn't adopt the same ideal.

In this thread already you claimed that 'Well i would say that he is a very smart man & not indicative of 99% of people or businesses' - Clearly and obviously, this includes yourself which is why you piss on anyone who denounces your methods and assumes that if you can somehow make it where you couldn't, they MUST be in that magical 1%?

You are so narrow in your mindset you don't entertain the possibility of doing anything a different way. You constantly denounce the system for it's corruption and then say that playing their rigged game is the only (smart?) way of getting ahead.

Perhaps if you were raised properly in a nurturing environment you wouldn't be so socially retarded and narrow minded in your methods?


This is the reason why I don't detail a damn thing to you about my personal financial and economic situation. Not only is it none of your damn business anyway, but I know you'll simply use it as another dick waving contest to further justify your own mindset.

Others here have detailed other methods of getting ahead, without debt and leverage and look how quickly you shit all over them?

I absolutely wouldn't even waste my time trying to convince you of any other solution because at the end of the day, you don't care anyway and will still assume your method was the best, regardless.

Because you got nothing but words . & they will not give you the freedom you desire so much

 

[renovator]

...........Believe it or not i dont hate him at all i feel a bit sorry for him to be honest .To be middle aged with no assets no family home & no outlook or plan for the future to change his situation iwould be soul destroying & sometimes i understand why he is so angry but im the type of person who doesnt pass it on .if you know what i mean . Weve all met someone who has had a problem then upsets everybody around then turning the whole scene to crap . & i feel he does that here at times..passing on the negatives in his own life to others . Myself & others try to put a positive spin onto an otherwise grey area that depresses a lot just to think about it . Theres nothing wrong with shining the light so people can make their own way out .

Sanctimonious B/S.

Should have known the serial private message abuser would be around in time .. Your reputation on the forum is well known & you have the hide to put crap on me for trying to help people . .You & auspm need to get together one day & throw insults & swear & threaten each other..... that sounds like a hoot .......birds of a feather . You call it sanctimonious i call it the truth