how to vote in the upcoming election .

Yes, we've hit this dichotomy before Shiney, and economic theory rubbing up against human nature.

You just have to look at the massive waste management issue to see how free market and environment are working together - but again, we've had this discussion before.

I'm not banging a drum for any party in particular, but as I said, the only issues for me are environmental, and the LDP don't measure up to my ideals, much as I like some of their other ideas. I like one or two of Hanson and Anning's also, but the package there is too odious to even sniff at!

We'd definitely be better off though if the fuss and attention paid to their small world views was instead given to the LDP.
 
JulieW said:
Yes, we've hit this dichotomy before Shiney, and economic theory rubbing up against human nature.
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It's not theory. It is practice. The theory merely explains what is happening ie a priori.

I think the main reason people are opposed to the idea of managing our environmental resources using free-market principles is that they don't understand the concept. Their main misconception is that they believe it relies upon the noble intentions of corporations to do what is in the best interest of the environment. This is false. Free-market environmentalism doesn't rely upon warm fuzzy feelings, noble intentions or marketing strategies employing platitudes - these are the domain of those who would seek to force their values on to others, our politicians, our environmental lobby groups and your average green voter living in a concrete jungle.

Free-market environmentalism is built upon the cold hard concepts of valid science, assigning a price to the things we value and a legal system that upholds contractual law and the property rights of the individual. So basically if you want something from the environment you pay what it is worth to get it. You don't steal it or expect someone else to pay for it, or get a taxpayer hand out or a gift from the State. And if you can't afford to get what you want you do without or you ask someone else nicely to get it for you. And if your individual property rights are negatively affected in any way by somebody else's actions, you get just compensation.

JulieW said:
You just have to look at the massive waste management issue to see how free market and environment are working together
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I agree, they're doing pretty damn good. They're responding effectively to consumer demand. See the Kuznets curve above.
 
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mmm....shiney! said:
Yep, only party that supports terrorism
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Yep! Also, their crazy suicidal leftist mentally would push us to open the borders and welcome them into the country like has been going on in Europe. Remember a few months ago they pushed our government to let all them BS refugees (aka freeloader scums and terrorists) from Manis island to settle in Australia.
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Archaic hey? Wow! I’m impressed. And here’s me thinking the only thing you’ve learned in the last 10 years is what you’ve managed to pick up in the bars in Manila.

In my electorate there is a Liberal candidate, a socialist from the Labor Party, a Greens nutter, 1 independent who used to be a builder and we both know that between the ears of a builder is a cavity and every national-socialist party you can care to name (Palmer, Katter, Hanson and Anning and even one from the DLP :eek: ).

I’ll be voting for the Libs as out of all of them they are the most free-market. There are some good minds on their back bench. Palmer will most likely get my 2nd vote.

see my time overseas hasnt been wasted :)


None of the candidates fit your fantasy. None of them fit mine either, that’s why I’m reserving my right to pictorially represent your micro-junk in one of the boxes.
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when will you stop looking through my curtains u old pervert ...oh thats right you are living your sex life vicariously through me ...thats nice :p at least someone is taking an interest on how to do things properly, unlike the 2 big parties who are ransacking the peoples pockets when they have their pants down .
 
Voting promotes corruption and takes your rights away .... anyone with sufficient experience dealing with an owners corporation would understand ...
 
They just can't help themselves. After campaigning solo all this time, Morrison must be feeling so appreciated by this bunch of space invaders.

Former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has warned the coalition between the Liberals and Nationals is at stake as a civil war erupts over Senate voting just days before the election.

The Nationals took the "extraordinary" step on Wednesday of advising members to ignore Coalition how-to-vote cards and instead vote below-the-line to support the National Party, after renegade Liberal senator Jim Molan stepped up his own below-the-line campaign.

https://www.theage.com.au/federal-e...s-senate-civil-war-rages-20190515-p51nnk.html​
 
dozerz said:
please let it be over now.
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I think that's why so many voting early. I suspect not a lot of early coalition voters.

The interesting thing at this election is the record number of young people hitting the rolls. I suspect the 'dinosaurs in caps' have not factored them in to their fatal result.
 
JulieW said:
The interesting thing at this election is the record number of young people hitting the rolls.
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The kids get a letter at 17 telling them to enrol and if they dont do it they get another at 17 9 months again and probably more but thats when mine sent the reply paid envelope back, and its full of threats saying how you can be fined ect.
 
JulieW said:
I think that's why so many voting early. I suspect not a lot of early coalition voters.

The interesting thing at this election is the record number of young people hitting the rolls. I suspect the 'dinosaurs in caps' have not factored them in to their fatal result.
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i hope they love coal, and buying houses by giving them more debt than they can handle.
 
AEC is cautioning that due to level of pre-poll / postal votes, the election may not be known on Sat night / Sun morning.
 
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