How much for 1oz DRAGON LUNAR PAMPS??

[lynsilverbullion]

To 'footycard':

People pay a lot for 'the picture' believe it or not. In fact list me one dealer which sells pamps for 29.07!! None!

$41 is $5 below the standard dealer price for the bar, so you're wrong, he's the one who got a good deal. In fact he wanted to buy an even greater amount, but I didnt have any more!

So you're saying that you only buy silver rounds and have no premium coins? Well you cant even get rounds for $29.07 lol

Yes, silver is worth silver. But premium coins retain their premium. And their premiums are set to only increase in many years time, so buying with a small premium now, may turn out a healthy choice in a few years time. Just look at how much the Series 1 lunar coins are selling for now!

Reading your post made me laugh lol. If only everyone thought like you. Then I could buy tigers and oxes and who knows what else for $29.07. Heck! If you've got any, Ill buy em off you for $35, how about that? lol

 

[Ronnie 666]

Nothing wrong nice coin but the 2011 have high point over the sun and 90% + are scratched. The 5oz are fine.

Given the Uber low mintage and relative lack of an issue with the sun high point... i own twenty and was unable to note much of an issue at all.. there are two coins ONLY that i had a noticable difference with id say the benefits massively outweigh the cons..

I dont know where you get 90% from? and the level of sratching would be the ambiguious point of contention.. if this were the case im sure Bullion Money would make a point of noting that these coins are damaged.

cheers,

1for1

Hi 1for1

lets go through your comments:


"Uber low mintage" - mintage is 8,000,000 - personally I prefer the PM coins at 300,000 or 500,000 or even 1,000,000 (2013)

I have seen 10 coins - all had scratches -

To me a scratch is a scratch. If you are buying this for bullion value only - great no problem with a scratch - I prefer bars

If you are buying as a semi- collectable withe possible future numismatic value like the lunars - then a scratch destroys that value however small or inconsequential you think that scratch is.

90% - that figure was from Bullion Money

I am not impressed with this. The coin is fine but the scratch is unacceptable - just my opinion

 

[digoxin]

what so special about a 1oz bar?
the picture? what if there was a huge pair of tits on the bar?
would you pay more for that too?

Are you referring to the Fortuna Pamps there?

 

[footycard]

To 'footycard':

People pay a lot for 'the picture' believe it or not. In fact list me one dealer which sells pamps for 29.07!! None!

$41 is $5 below the standard dealer price for the bar, so you're wrong, he's the one who got a good deal. In fact he wanted to buy an even greater amount, but I didnt have any more!

So you're saying that you only buy silver rounds and have no premium coins? Well you cant even get rounds for $29.07 lol

Yes, silver is worth silver. But premium coins retain their premium. And their premiums are set to only increase in many years time, so buying with a small premium now, may turn out a healthy choice in a few years time. Just look at how much the Series 1 lunar coins are selling for now!

Reading your post made me laugh lol. If only everyone thought like you. Then I could buy tigers and oxes and who knows what else for $29.07. Heck! If you've got any, Ill buy em off you for $35, how about that? lol

\now your talking about coins, that's probably to give more impact to your story.
but it's bars were talking abvout, not coins.

a bar is a bar, who cares what the picture is, it's not as if it's a limited bar is it?
it's a chunk of silver, that's it, certainly not a minted coin, so yeah, $29.07

 

[1for1]

Nothing wrong nice coin but the 2011 have high point over the sun and 90% + are scratched. The 5oz are fine.

Given the Uber low mintage and relative lack of an issue with the sun high point... i own twenty and was unable to note much of an issue at all.. there are two coins ONLY that i had a noticable difference with id say the benefits massively outweigh the cons..

I dont know where you get 90% from? and the level of sratching would be the ambiguious point of contention.. if this were the case im sure Bullion Money would make a point of noting that these coins are damaged.

cheers,

1for1

Hi 1for1

lets go through your comments:


"Uber low mintage" - mintage is 8,000,000 - personally I prefer the PM coins at 300,000 or 500,000 or even 1,000,000 (2013)

I have seen 10 coins - all had scratches -

To me a scratch is a scratch. If you are buying this for bullion value only - great no problem with a scratch - I prefer bars

If you are buying as a semi- collectable withe possible future numismatic value like the lunars - then a scratch destroys that value however small or inconsequential you think that scratch is.

90% - that figure was from Bullion Money

I am not impressed with this. The coin is fine but the scratch is unacceptable - just my opinion

Hi Ronnie666,

Ok this may make a difference:

Maximum authorized mintage: 8,000,000
Declared (final) mintage: 351,145

So your quote "personally I prefer the PM coins at 300,000 or 500,000 or even 1,000,000 (2013)"

Does this change your mind at all?

Ultra low mintage first year with an error that was fixed for future coins, i also read the Roo statement on this thread:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-25631-armenia-2012-noah-s-ark-page-2.html

"Not all 2011 dated coins are affected by the "scratched sun" imperfection. Investigations have revealed that one coin in every tube of 20 - the coin located at the very bottom of the tube - is significantly less likely to be affected by scratch marks on the sun area. Mint-sealed tubes may also contain more unscratched coins, however the nature of the imperfection means that further occurrences in the same tube are less likely'

Reading this part of the Roos post it does read the JUST 1 in 20 is uneffected... if this is true? Imagine how valuable it is today, or into the future -- well worth getting it slabbed IMO... i know im going to have to go through mine 2011's but i didnt notice any damage and i do have good eyesight.. i will happily declare i am wrong on the % damage as you and Roo appear to have a different stance on this..

the LOW mintage is awesome news though and i still rate these as a HOT HOT buy.

1for1

 

[Ronnie 666]

Given the Uber low mintage and relative lack of an issue with the sun high point... i own twenty and was unable to note much of an issue at all.. there are two coins ONLY that i had a noticable difference with id say the benefits massively outweigh the cons..

I dont know where you get 90% from? and the level of sratching would be the ambiguious point of contention.. if this were the case im sure Bullion Money would make a point of noting that these coins are damaged.

cheers,

1for1

Hi 1for1

lets go through your comments:


"Uber low mintage" - mintage is 8,000,000 - personally I prefer the PM coins at 300,000 or 500,000 or even 1,000,000 (2013)

I have seen 10 coins - all had scratches -

To me a scratch is a scratch. If you are buying this for bullion value only - great no problem with a scratch - I prefer bars

If you are buying as a semi- collectable withe possible future numismatic value like the lunars - then a scratch destroys that value however small or inconsequential you think that scratch is.

90% - that figure was from Bullion Money

I am not impressed with this. The coin is fine but the scratch is unacceptable - just my opinion

Hi Ronnie666,

Ok this may make a difference:

Maximum authorized mintage: 8,000,000
Declared (final) mintage: 351,145

So your quote "personally I prefer the PM coins at 300,000 or 500,000 or even 1,000,000 (2013)"

Does this change your mind at all?

Ultra low mintage first year with an error that was fixed for future coins, i also read the Roo statement on this thread:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-25631-armenia-2012-noah-s-ark-page-2.html

"Not all 2011 dated coins are affected by the "scratched sun" imperfection. Investigations have revealed that one coin in every tube of 20 - the coin located at the very bottom of the tube - is significantly less likely to be affected by scratch marks on the sun area. Mint-sealed tubes may also contain more unscratched coins, however the nature of the imperfection means that further occurrences in the same tube are less likely'

Reading this part of the Roos post it does read the JUST 1 in 20 is uneffected... if this is true? Imagine how valuable it is today, or into the future -- well worth getting it slabbed IMO... i know im going to have to go through mine 2011's but i didnt notice any damage and i do have good eyesight.. i will happily declare i am wrong on the % damage as you and Roo appear to have a different stance on this..

the LOW mintage is awesome news though and i still rate these as a HOT HOT buy.

1for1

Hi 1 for 1

Dont get me wrong - I like the coin - just dont like the scratch

I ordered 10 coins all arrived all were scratched. I agree if you got a non-scratched coin it may be worth something down the track. I am not prepared to order 50 coins in the hope 1or 2 will be less scratched.

The scratch over the sun on my coins is very obvious - dont need specs on this one. Maybe you got a better lot ?

I think a better deal is the 5 oz coin - they are perfect in a capsule and not scratched. Per oz you are better off. Also mintage is limited to 0.5 mil and I dont know if all were minted - doubt it ?

 

[spannermonkey]

To 'footycard':

People pay a lot for 'the picture' believe it or not. In fact list me one dealer which sells pamps for 29.07!! None!

$41 is $5 below the standard dealer price for the bar, so you're wrong, he's the one who got a good deal. In fact he wanted to buy an even greater amount, but I didnt have any more!

So you're saying that you only buy silver rounds and have no premium coins? Well you cant even get rounds for $29.07 lol

Yes, silver is worth silver. But premium coins retain their premium. And their premiums are set to only increase in many years time, so buying with a small premium now, may turn out a healthy choice in a few years time. Just look at how much the Series 1 lunar coins are selling for now!

Reading your post made me laugh lol. If only everyone thought like you. Then I could buy tigers and oxes and who knows what else for $29.07. Heck! If you've got any, Ill buy em off you for $35, how about that? lol

\now your talking about coins, that's probably to give more impact to your story.
but it's bars were talking abvout, not coins.

a bar is a bar, who cares what the picture is, it's not as if it's a limited bar is it?
it's a chunk of silver, that's it, certainly not a minted coin, so yeah, $29.07

:lol:
you really have no idea .do you
Lets get one thing straight
YOU DON'T DEFINE whether or not a bar/coin gets a premium
The market does
Just because YOU DON'T SEE THE VALUE ,doesn't meant it's only worth spot ,
Spot price refers to 100oz bar ,NOT 1OZ COIN/BAR

 

[jossilver123]

Agree!^^

 

[footycard]

heh, nah not really, yeah i understand but we are talking about a pissy little 1oz bar, not exactly something your gonna hold in your hand and be amazed at the intricacy of the design, it's so small, who cares, it's not a coin, not legal tender so therefore it's simply bullion, $29.11oz

yeah I understand how premiums work perfectly, but were not just talking about a premium, were talking about ultra premium, reserved for things that are awesome, like coins, kooks, panda's ect, but a teenie weenie piece of silver is just that, i'm not fussed about what you buy, no worries, but i'll never agree that your making the right decision paying a premium for a non premium item, it's just a picture, cant you see that?
think many get tricked into thinking they are gonna get something real cool looking at the pictures, if they could see them in real size they wouldn't bother.

 

[footycard]

:lol:
you really have no idea .do you

no but when I do, look out!

 

[DanDee]

what so special about a 1oz bar?
the picture? what if there was a huge pair of tits on the bar?
would you pay more for that too?

the bar is worth $29.07 according to the price of silver atm.
anything you pay over and above that is simply the price your prepared to pay for the picture, not the content.

so, you ripped him off, $41, shafted.
not even australia silver.. pffft.. you ripped him off.

When you find these Pamp dragon bars @ spot, buy them, and I'll give you a dollar over spot for each and every one.

 

[DanDee]

heh, nah not really, yeah i understand but we are talking about a pissy little 1oz bar, not exactly something your gonna hold in your hand and be amazed at the intricacy of the design, it's so small, who cares, it's not a coin, not legal tender so therefore it's simply bullion, $29.11oz

yeah I understand how premiums work perfectly, but were not just talking about a premium, were talking about ultra premium, reserved for things that are awesome, like coins, kooks, panda's ect, but a teenie weenie piece of silver is just that, i'm not fussed about what you buy, no worries, but i'll never agree that your making the right decision paying a premium for a non premium item, it's just a picture, cant you see that?
think many get tricked into thinking they are gonna get something real cool looking at the pictures, if they could see them in real size they wouldn't bother.

Have you even seen a 1oz bar?

 

[lynsilverbullion]

I AGREE with spannermonkey and Dan Dee!!

Footycard, have you seen these 1oz bars?? They are BEAUTIFUL!! Sealed in a PAMP certicard, and the design is so intricate and yummy you want to eat it (ok...possibly gone a little too far there ). Whats wrong with you?!?!

People could say the same thing about a kook or panda ...ie. its a teeny weeny piece of silver too. Why does legal tender necessarily make something numismatic and ultra great? Its the design and desirability and mintage that defines its price and future potential. These might not have a set mintage, but apparently PAMP itself has now stopped making these. The only remaining ones are with dealers. So very soon....they will all be gone

It looks a lot classier than a teeny weeny coin in my oppinion

I guess we can just agree to disagree!

 

[1for1]

I AGREE with spannermonkey and Dan Dee!!

Footycard, have you seen these 1oz bars?? They are BEAUTIFUL!! Sealed in a PAMP certicard, and the design is so intricate and yummy you want to eat it (ok...possibly gone a little too far there ). Whats wrong with you?!?!

People could say the same thing about a kook or panda ...ie. its a teeny weeny piece of silver too. Why does legal tender necessarily make something numismatic and ultra great? Its the design and desirability and mintage that defines its price and future potential. These might not have a set mintage, but apparently PAMP itself has now stopped making these. The only remaining ones are with dealers. So very soon....they will all be gone

It looks a lot classier than a teeny weeny coin in my oppinion

I guess we can just agree to disagree!

Its just a one off so would never achieve a following like the Panda or Kook.. also kooks can be had for $35 atm... even the expensive Pandas are only around $42.. both legal tender with set mintages..

Pamp would have kept pumping them out if there was adequate demand... truth is so much other dragon bullion come out after which oversupplied the market -- collectors had sooo many dragons chasing there investment dollar..

I never purchased these based on the obsurd price over spot but think they might be good as chances are they will have a low mintage... i doubt pamp would "dump" unsuccessful issues on the market like the PM does.. but still doubt they will ever have excess demand over supply to drive up the price on the secondary market.

Just my opinion but 2012 was & has been a very competitive capilisitic market for silver bullion - and these puppies dont rank top 10 for purchase price vs potential future sale price, if you are wanting to sell them at a decent loss then my opinion is justified, i dont like selling at a loss but if i dont see any future gain i am better clearing them out.

1for1

 

[silvermed]

Just got this Dragon bar 2 weeks ago. I am very pleased and will comment that it is a collectible of sorts. Not only do they get very high premiums on ebay, but so does the regular Fortuna Silver bars.

These are not meant to be purchased in quantity, but just a handful. (Buying 1 oz is a TINY percentage of my stack) Pamp won't make these until 2024 again, thus making the mintage somewhat collectible.

Have fun with your stack. Build it with a core of reasonably priced bullion, but for those that like a little spice once in a while this was fun. Very pleased.