Home Safes - DON'T.

[Newtosilver]

G

I think if you have something valuable in your house you have one of two choices if someone has the intention of taking it. You either get out as fast as possible or .........- no half measures and you need to have a plan as to exactly what you will do.

You can get a alarm system with PIR sensors, vibration sensors, battery backup, anti lift sensors that you put a SIM card in and it will send txt messages to 5 mobile phone numbers telling you which zone is in alarm.

95% of people think it nothing will ever happen to them! you need to think like it is defiantly going to happen to you and plan for it.

The mongrels who did that even if caught will get bugger all punishment and the person who lost their stuff will most likely not get it back or get reimbursement for it.

Very untidy situation, I really feel for them, you work hard to get ahead and some turd steals it.

I worked in the security (alarm response) industry many years ago. Generally all an alarm system does is best case inform you of the theft after the event.
Single zone activations are 99 / 100 false alerts
Multi zone activations that continue for minutes 9 /10 an animal or person that has forgotten alarm code employee etc
In three years of working security responding to alarms caught only a hand full of criminals due to the alarm activation.
One druggie crim that did get catch broke in to a chemist through the roof and couldn't find a way out of the building! He seemed quite happy to see me as I shut off the alarm siren that had been going for 30 minutes above his head (30 min was our promised response time). He just gave up and sat on the floor cried and told me about his shitty life it was quite bizarre. Alarm system was effective in that case.
Do the maths
From Sensor activation you have Approx 30sec to disarm system.
Message sent to alarm monitoring company
Monitoring company employee acknowledges alarm 30 sec - 1 minute
Monitoring company contacts security dispatch 2 minutes
Security dispatch contacts mobile patrol vehicle
Mobile patrol vehicle then has to look up the clients address / plug in to GPS or street directory etc 2 minutes
Mobile patrol vehicle then drives to address 1- 30 minutes.
Basically you find out you have been robbed about an hour after the event

G

I think if you have something valuable in your house you have one of two choices if someone has the intention of taking it. You either get out as fast as possible or .........- no half measures and you need to have a plan as to exactly what you will do.

You can get a alarm system with PIR sensors, vibration sensors, battery backup, anti lift sensors that you put a SIM card in and it will send txt messages to 5 mobile phone numbers telling you which zone is in alarm.

95% of people think it nothing will ever happen to them! you need to think like it is defiantly going to happen to you and plan for it.

The mongrels who did that even if caught will get bugger all punishment and the person who lost their stuff will most likely not get it back or get reimbursement for it.

Very untidy situation, I really feel for them, you work hard to get ahead and some turd steals it.

I worked in the security (alarm response) industry many years ago. Generally all an alarm system does is best case inform you of the theft after the event.
Single zone activations are 99 / 100 false alerts
Multi zone activations that continue for minutes 9 /10 an animal or person that has forgotten alarm code employee etc
In three years of working security responding to alarms caught only a hand full of criminals due to the alarm activation.
One druggie crim that did get catch broke in to a chemist through the roof and couldn't find a way out of the building! He seemed quite happy to see me as I shut off the alarm siren that had been going for 30 minutes above his head (30 min was our promised response time). He just gave up and sat on the floor cried and told me about his shitty life it was quite bizarre. Alarm system was effective in that case.
Do the maths
From Sensor activation you have Approx 30sec to disarm system.
Message sent to alarm monitoring company
Monitoring company employee acknowledges alarm 30 sec - 1 minute
Monitoring company contacts security dispatch 2 minutes
Security dispatch contacts mobile patrol vehicle
Mobile patrol vehicle then has to look up the clients address / plug in to GPS or street directory etc 2 minutes
Mobile patrol vehicle then drives to address 1- 30 minutes.
Basically you find out you have been robbed about an hour after the event

I am not talking about a monitored system, it comes down to personal circumstances and each case is different. I can ring a neighbour or several neighbours and have them on my front doorstep within 60 seconds of the alarm going off. I have had one false alarm because I left a window open and it blew the blinds. One of my neighbours checked the house for me and I was on the phone with him when he did it within 60 seconds of the alarm going off.
Have a safe, have an alarm system with multiple zones, have a wifi video camera that will send images to your mobile, talk to your neighbours, secure your house, have lockable internal doors, have a dog, cut the concrete dig down 800mm bury your silver/gold etc put 200 mm of concrete over it then put you 150 kg safe on top of it and DynaBolt it down then cover the safe and other measures I won't go into. The harder you make it the more success you will have, have layered security. Make it so hard even if they knew exactly where it was it is going to take 10 hours to get to it. Then make sure no-one knows how much stuff you have or where it is.
All that said I try not to have more than 100 oz here for more than 2 days. Make it easier to rob someone else.
You need to actively do something, if it is all to hard and you don't then you can have problems.

 

[alor]

move next to the police office

 

[gooby]

If I thought there might be an intruder in a neighbour's place, I certainly wouldn't be popping over to take a look and get the living daylights beaten out of me. I'd call the police and perhaps keep a lookout from a distance, but I'm not going in there.

 

[menotcrimex]

Someone will talk and they will get caught, ( I hope )

The safe looks out of place, but there could be several valid reasons for this.

I would be interested to know what home security was installed ( if any )

Also wonder if anyone living nearby heard any noise as it looks like a grinder to me.

And I bet you 100% the owner wishes decoy's were in the safe!

That's the decoy debate sorted right there!

If your worried they will come back , make arrangments so that your protected or move.

Also keep in mind wired alarms are more secure than wireless, trust me.

 

[Golden ChipMunk]

My choice of Safe = Vault

 

[mmissinglink]

Decoy safe full of the 100mills coins getting flogged on ebay, with your real silver hidden in your undies draw.

Sorry, decoys are a silly idea.

Dogs are only useful if they are at the house - what do you do when you're away for a week? Leave the dog in the backyard with a pile of kibble?

Just have a trusted friend or neighbor replenish food and water when necessary....but not too much food because a slightly hungry dog is a more ferocious dog with an intruder in his sights!

 

[goldpelican]

Dogs only make sense if you know that they will spend 100% of their lives at the property. Otherwise the absence of a dog when there's normally one around is an even bigger flag that the house is likely vacant.

Been a dog owner for almost 40 years non-stop, not every house you live in is going to be convenient for someone else to dogsit for you. Great general deterrent, but it would be silly IMO to just rely on "I've got a dog" as a home security solution.

 

[Stark]

Have you heard the story about Indian or Indonesian guy (don't remember precisely where it happens). He went on vacations for few weeks and left around 10 dogs at home. 2 dogs became very weak so other dogs ate them. But when the owner came back home, he was eaten too.

Don't have dog. Had few pets many years ago. But I doubt that silver or gold could be more important to me than living being, especially something that you have for few years and you "establish" some "bonds" with it. Not that I'm particular fan of having animals, it all depends on where are you living, etc. And have you treat them (of course).

That's the risk of having precious things. There's "always" a chance you will loose them.

The only "bulletproof" protections is not having anything at all.

 

[Shaddam IV]

Most safes seem to be tin boxes with a safe door.... I guess they make the door look thick and impressive as a marketing ploy.

 

[Byron]

Just one of these should suffice as back up protection. I have seen them in the flesh, and whilst a pit bull would do serious damage, a Boerboel would eat it!

We actually looked at them with intent and spoke to several owners. The story that sticks in my mind, was when an owner told us that he saw one of his dogs taking down a young bull by itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boerboel

And what the hell would you want one of those meathead dogs for? There are enough people roaming around with dogs that they dontrain who think a tough dog will impart some sense of toughness to their clearly depauperate sense of self confidence or social status.

"Not achieving in life what you thought you would as a child? Let's get a tough dog."

Sorry for derailing. Thanks for posting GP, feel bad fort the owner and hope his important documents are not missing.

Naphtha man has made a great point.

I used to work in one of the most disadvantaged areas of Sydney and saw more of these dogs and their meathead, houso owners than anywhere else.

Lots of them would end up as strays and attacks on children and other innocent bystanders were not uncommon.

Ferocious dogs are more of a danger to their own owners family and neighbours than any potential intruder. I'm glad some legislation has passed banning some of these breeds despite what libertarians may say.

 

[mmm....shiney!]

You talk shite byron.

 

[Byron]

You talk shite byron.

What's the problem?

You must be a dog owner.

 

[mmm....shiney!]

You talk shite byron.

What's the problem?

You must be a dog owner.

Bingo!

But I'll let somebody else debate with you over your twisted political views. Suffice to say my premise remains accurate and proven correct.

 

[Rinchin]

Just one of these should suffice as back up protection. I have seen them in the flesh, and whilst a pit bull would do serious damage, a Boerboel would eat it!

We actually looked at them with intent and spoke to several owners. The story that sticks in my mind, was when an owner told us that he saw one of his dogs taking down a young bull by itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boerboel

And what the hell would you want one of those meathead dogs for? There are enough people roaming around with dogs that they dontrain who think a tough dog will impart some sense of toughness to their clearly depauperate sense of self confidence or social status.

"Not achieving in life what you thought you would as a child? Let's get a tough dog."

Sorry for derailing. Thanks for posting GP, feel bad fort the owner and hope his important documents are not missing.

Naphtha man has made a great point.

I used to work in one of the most disadvantaged areas of Sydney and saw more of these dogs and their meathead, houso owners than anywhere else.

Lots of them would end up as strays and attacks on children and other innocent bystanders were not uncommon.

Ferocious dogs are more of a danger to their own owners family and neighbours than any potential intruder. I'm glad some legislation has passed banning some of these breeds despite what libertarians may say.

No idea how you can be so damn ignorant. How is banning the breed in any way going to change the behaviour of the OWNER? Its like banning guns; if we banned all guns tomorrow the only people who continued possessing guns would be those who did not respect the rules. Same thing with the dogs you talk of. The people who want to look tough be having badly trained angry dog will only want them more. The "status" of owning an illegal dangerous breed will only add appeal to the very people who are the problem.

Sorry to inform you but in a libertarian world most of these problem people would struggle to own these dogs anyway since its your ridiculous socialist centerlink system that funds this....

 

[boyd_05]

Just one of these should suffice as back up protection. I have seen them in the flesh, and whilst a pit bull would do serious damage, a Boerboel would eat it!

We actually looked at them with intent and spoke to several owners. The story that sticks in my mind, was when an owner told us that he saw one of his dogs taking down a young bull by itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boerboel

And what the hell would you want one of those meathead dogs for? There are enough people roaming around with dogs that they dontrain who think a tough dog will impart some sense of toughness to their clearly depauperate sense of self confidence or social status.

"Not achieving in life what you thought you would as a child? Let's get a tough dog."

Sorry for derailing. Thanks for posting GP, feel bad fort the owner and hope his important documents are not missing.

Naphtha man has made a great point.

I used to work in one of the most disadvantaged areas of Sydney and saw more of these dogs and their meathead, houso owners than anywhere else.

Lots of them would end up as strays and attacks on children and other innocent bystanders were not uncommon.

Ferocious dogs are more of a danger to their own owners family and neighbours than any potential intruder. I'm glad some legislation has passed banning some of these breeds despite what libertarians may say.

You come undone by making the assertion that these type of dogs are 'ferocious'.

Please don't judge a large group of people based on the actions of the dregs of society.

 

[hiho]

Massive lesson for all of us at the unfortunate expense of a fellow stacker.
Dont store your metals at home, its not woth the financial or personal risk
Get a safety deposit box for your stuff the expense is very worth it
Or better still get UNALLOCATED for all your plain bullion, let someone else cover the risk.

 

[Chillidog]

I would like to know which type of CMI?
While they all look similar,
Domestic safes are not very strong,
If it's a commercial type ie commander or premier,
That's disturbing.
I feel for the owners,

 

[unfunkable]

the thing is
it doesn't matter how strong the safe is
if they don't get in the first time, they or someone WILL hit you again, or if they are small time crims and cant do it, word will spread

what are you gonna do when you come home one day and they are waiting for you...
got family? makes it even easier for them. maybe i'm being paranoid

 

[Chillidog]

I need a safe because of the firearm laws.
Metals are not in one place, don't have that much anyway.
Maybe I just need more bangers.
No family apart from chilli and he is a savage sausage dog. Lol

 

[goldpelican]

I would like to know which type of CMI?
While they all look similar,
Domestic safes are not very strong,
If it's a commercial type ie commander or premier,
That's disturbing.
I feel for the owners,

Judging by the wall thickness I would say it's an older model Premier.