Grading: wear and scratches on coins

[mmissinglink]

Having reviewed your post history it seems obvious that the problem here is your lack of experience with anything other than the Chinese version of granny bait. Chinese medal are not numismatic items, collectable they may be, but they are simply medals produced for people who like shine works of art and being produced for that market are expected to be of a high quality. Old Coins are different in that they are mostly produced in order to enable trade and thus their conservation at time of minting generally plays 2nd fiddle to their utility use as mediums of exchange and thus can suffer significant damage before circulating.
Now most coin collectors understand that so I can now understand you ignorance on the subject and would suggest you either kindly FCK of to your Modern Chinese Coins & Medallions section of this forum or start showing others a little more respect in this section especially given your lack of real numismatic expertise. This is not me saying that some of the Chinese medals produced are not works of art, the are, just that they are no different to the many medals pumped out by the likes of the Franklin mint, great to look at, expensive to purchase when issued but now worth melt or less most the time

Clearly you are delusional and have very serious anger issues. You need professional medical help for that.


You make all sorts of spurious claims but never do you back any of them with a shred of good evidence or a cogent argument....that's your deficit alone. Your nutty ad hominem attacks show me that you are either incapable of discussing the issues raised or you don't want to have a discussion because you are so comfortable with spewing inflammatory rhetoric rather than discussing the issues.

You have still yet to contest my comments on grading here in this thread but I won't hold my breath seeing that you have a complete detachment from anything that resembles corroborating your ludicrous claims with facts.


I think it's time for you to go back to your padded cell now and put away your colorful alphabet blocks. :lol:



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again a personal attack without adding any substance to the thread
why don't you go back to spamming links to new granny bait issues, numismatic articles or your latest overpriced Chinese produced medal and leave this thread to the real collectors

That you hate the fact that I call boneheads out on their bullshit is your deficit alone. That you are the one that hates it means that you need to change yourself.


And I'm still waiting for anyone to refute the fact-based points that I have posited....all I hear from the peanut gallery is crickets.



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[nutshell]

I have received some good feedback to my query and I thanks those who replied, however, as a new person to this list I am also a bit taken aback by the animosity displayed by several people. I am a bit of a hacker and belong to several Linux related forums and the vitriol displayed here would not be tolerated and indeed usually other forum members make this clear before a moderator steps in, but eventually a moderator would. By the way are there moderators on this forum? Maybe if there is he/she could just close this thread so there's no more posts. Not much constructive going on anymore. If anyone has a personal agenda perhaps it should be moved to PM,s

 

[JEM]

So Mint State is not the same for different mint's coins, different time periods of minting technology and different metals coins are minted from? If one mint makes a poorer quality coin and another mint makes high quality coin both are still a ms70 respectively? Makes sense to me.

 

[mmissinglink]

Reputable TPG's take ALL visible imperfections into consideration whether the imperfection is possibly caused at the point of minting/production, or a hairline scratch whose origin is indeterminable, or milkspots that develop within days after the coin is initially released for sale, or any sort of wear.



One way to know that reputable TPG's don't give a grade pass to mints which normally produce certain lower quality coins is to look at 2 very recognized modern bullion coins; the U.S. 5 oz silver ATB bu coins and silver Canadian Maple Leafs (the bullion version). These coins rarely if ever get a 70 grade. If it were true that TPG's gave a grade pass because they recognize these coins are produced with less than stellar production quality, we'd see many (a significant percentage) of these coins get a 70 grade....but we don't, we see just the opposite.






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[Ipv6Ready]

I have received some good feedback to my query and I thanks those who replied, however, as a new person to this list I am also a bit taken aback by the animosity displayed by several people. I am a bit of a hacker and belong to several Linux related forums and the vitriol displayed here would not be tolerated and indeed usually other forum members make this clear before a moderator steps in, but eventually a moderator would. By the way are there moderators on this forum? Maybe if there is he/she could just close this thread so there's no more posts. Not much constructive going on anymore. If anyone has a personal agenda perhaps it should be moved to PM,s

Just a semi-friendly butting of heads... it will calm down and yes there are moderators in the forum but I've seen much worse in other forums. Your other linux forums must be very tame lol.