Gold and Silver Futures in backwardation....

Always enjoy reading your posts as well as Julie W.
Have to ask you SilverSanchez. Will you sell your Money Stack eventually for the new fiat that occurs when the debt bubble pops and a new currency is issued?
Say I have been reading that there will be a possibility of a soft default of the united states.
http://www.munknee.com/2012/05/the-u-s-may-engineer-a-soft-default-heres-why-and-how/
Alan Greenspan tells congress that america can honour its debt obligations but not the purchasing power of the dollar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlODOk_iyXg&feature=relmfu
Ron Paul tells what will happen to when the a downward debt spiral default occurs to the united states dollar - being a currency reserve it will impact all other fiat based currencies world wide.
http://usawatchdog.com/ron-paul-warns-of-coming-economic-collapse/
So pretty much will you do what Mike Maloney talks about of cashing out your gold and silver stack when the new currency is printed to move into the next asset class - i.e Mike Maloney was talking $20k gold - seriously though if that would occur things would have to be shit hits the fan. Jim Rogers was pretty the same as Maloney.
Or hold forever and pass onto the children?
Be good to hear back
 
I think that the potential for a devaluation of the USD is immense. Bernanke has said as much. I think that's why the world is rapidly racing away from the US-Petrodollar as the reserve. All this delaying the inevitable is precisely because it IS inevitable and the powers know that the USD is part of history and are simply trying to reduce the damage. A soft landing is possible - for the world - not for the poor citizens paying for their leaders behaviours. The UK devalued its pound as part of the windup of the (physical) UK empire and managed to continue playing a part in world affairs - to the chagrin of many. It would be possible for the US to devalue, remain the biggest bully boy in the room and use its ongoing military might to shore up against enemies "foreign and domestic".

Alan Greenspan tells congress that america can honour its debt obligations but not the purchasing power of the dollar.
Which is just NewSpeak for defaulting on its debts. China has known this since 2008 and has been making other arrangements. Many other countries are coming to the party as well - mainly the rest of the BRICS and a statement like that can't be much clearer. "We'll pay you the number of dollars, but those dollars will be worth two thirds less. The sort of tactic you can do only once, and only if you have the largest military machine the world has seen.

So in the terms of Mike Maloney's perspective, I've been trying to come to grips with exit plans for a while now. I've no heirs and if I time it right I'll spend everything before I die. The unknown is when you die of course, but giving an educated guess, my exit plan in the current state of the world, is to retain a core holding, sell the rest into whatever market there is (whether new currency, or bull market) and yes, jump to real estate. Read the forum for perspectives on why RE will go the opposite direction of metals. The core holding is my safety margin in case pensions and social services are impossible. Entirely possible, but Australia IS different, in that we're more part of Asia than US/UK and we could bounce back in some way. Whether social services exist at the current levels is another question. Hence the core holding nest egg.

If we are hit with 2-3 years of deflation, all the better since it will enable me, and lots of other people, to prepare for the worst - being the biggest dose of stagflation we've ever seen. I've said here many times that the seventies and eighties are the clue to our next 10 years IF they manage to unwind the mess in the process. If not, then I'm off to a cave with tins of beans around 2020.

There is also a fairly good argument for getting a loan for real estate, allowing inflation to reduce the loan in real terms, and using the gold bull to clear the balance, using the see saw of property prices, metal prices, aus dollar and fear. I mention 'fear' because it seems to me that Australians are very prone to herd behaviour (when 'she'll be right mate' means no worries, but when the newspapers say 'crash' everyone sips their lattes and decide to batten down the hatches).

In the seventies I was one of the people who headed to the bush to escape the imminent collapse of civilisation. As you have probably noticed, it didn't happen. Same thing this time, the worst won't happen, but something else might. So I'm trying to use the lessons I learned then this time around. And the lessons then were metals bull, massive inflation, lots of unemployment, real assets holding wealth and political repression. If I was in the USA I'd leave. If in the UK I'd try and get into Australia and if in Europe I'd try and move to the wealthy bit.

If I was young and had family plans, I'd be doing what Faber and Rogers have done and be getting myself located in Asia. See sovereignman.com for lots of reasons.

All that said, I truly hope that the world pulls itself out of this because I've seen the small version in the seventies and it wasn't pretty. This time is a lot worse and a lot of people could lose everything and not know what happened. Then it would get very ugly.

There's an old saying 'Trust in God and keep your powder dry'. Metals is keeping your powder dry. Trading it for real assets is trusting God.

p.s. http://therealasset.co.uk/gold-investment-quintet/
These are the people who know the most about the metals markets imho.
 
Hi Julie W browsed through the link you gave me about Argentina - read quite a bit on the economy and part. It is truly sickening that a country like that could be first world developed nation and now on the verge within a another generation of a third world failed stated. An article pointed out that South Africa is in comparison is like Argentina but further down the road. It seems that the author went from a scenario of worse to bad in over all scheme of things considering Ireland. Where to go after Australia? Not calming at all considering this Labour / Green Government. She who shall not be named is turning the main land into Tasmania. Sadly Japan has been nuked with radioactive fallout. Generation Y & Z is about to be woken up I think in about 5 years and quite shockingly. For those in our mid twenties I think the question is what main land city in Australia is the best to live in and bunker down from there - form a lifeboat for the children - disturbingly I think of Ned Flanders preparing for the hurricane and still everything falling apart.
 
I sympathise TeaPot&ChopSticks.
Perhaps consider regional cities as well, if you have the skills base or motivation.
Provided a regional is not too large and has a good economic base you can find the benefits of country life along with the benefits of city life.
 
JulieW said:
...In the seventies I was one of the people who headed to the bush to escape the imminent collapse of civilisation. As you have probably noticed, it didn't happen. Same thing this time, the worst won't happen, but something else might. So I'm trying to use the lessons I learned then this time around. And the lessons then were metals bull, massive inflation, lots of unemployment, real assets holding wealth and political repression. If I was in the USA I'd leave. If in the UK I'd try and get into Australia and if in Europe I'd try and move to the wealthy bit....

p.s. http://therealasset.co.uk/gold-investment-quintet/
These are the people who know the most about the metals markets imho.

1970's vs 2012+

Different fish in a different kettle.
We should be smarter, but we are not smarter!
We have all bred like rabbits!!

Beware of Normalcy Bias,
because may we be that frog,
sitting in that water,
over that flame!!

I'm gonna sell up and write my own Tales Of The South Pacific.

Who wants to join me?
 
JulieW said:
All that said, I truly hope that the world pulls itself out of this because I've seen the small version in the seventies and it wasn't pretty. This time is a lot worse and a lot of people could lose everything and not know what happened. Then it would get very ugly.
For those of us that do not remember the 70's :) would you care to expand on what actually happened to the ordinary people, their response and how in hindsight they could have buffered themselves better?
 
boston said:
For those of us that do not remember the 70's :) would you care to expand on what actually happened to the ordinary people, their response and how in hindsight they could have buffered themselves better?

Yeah! Great request!! I was there, but....

What is that saying?

If you remember the 60/70's - you weren't there?
 
boston said:
For those of us that do not remember the 70's :) would you care to expand on what actually happened to the ordinary people, their response and how in hindsight they could have buffered themselves better?
Don't remember. I was stoned.
 
SULLA said:
boston said:
For those of us that do not remember the 70's :) would you care to expand on what actually happened to the ordinary people, their response and how in hindsight they could have buffered themselves better?

Yeah! Great request!! I was there, but....

What is that saying?

If you remember the 60/70's - you weren't there?
HA! just beat me. :lol: The golden age of cheap booze, easy drugs, free love.
or was that free drugs, cheap love and easy booze? whatever. it was a pretty good time to be poor. :lol:
 
LOL. but there's not ever really a good time to be poor. A good time to be young though.

Since I really was there - a few of the memories are lost(!) and a few mixed up from the 80's. It's all the same decade overall.

Work - unemployment everywhere. Very hard to find work. I was lucky I had a job in the council and we had 115 applications for one job holding the road sign telling people in cars to stop at roadworks - almost all had families and one was an engineer. The lesson of having more than a few months salary on hand for emergencies, and more than one skill.

At one stage there were fuel shortages and you were locked into Melbourne, and people couldn't drive their cars to work so they were overcrowding the rail and bus network. There were fist fights and head on collisions in some service stations as people rushed the pumps. They had rationing. Even number plates one day, odd the next. I had a little Honda motorbike so I was the one who could visit. The lesson of having a low mpg mode of transport and a 20 litre store in dad's shed. (but they banned containers pretty quickly)

Inflation was berserk. A friend purchased a Datsun in 1973 for $3k or so, and sold it in 1979 for almost $8k. The lesson of real assets versus cash. Food went up and up. My food share was $20 a week when I left school and $35 when I left uni 3 years later. (Uni was free by the way - back when they thought an educated population was a good idea)

At the same time, a friend received the inside word on metals from his dad and spent a couple of thousand on silver and had a house worth of sale about 2 years later. I purchased my first half oz for about $300 just near the top, being very slow on the uptake and it sat in my drawer forever. Another friend watched his 5k become about 12k and then about 5k again without selling. The lesson of knowing what you're doing when you invest.

Pot remained at about $35 an ounce though. I've since learned they were using that as a loss leader. The lesson that laws serve the masters and not the slaves.
 
thatguy said:
Good thing the S did not hit the F as I suspect a lot of you'd be dead :P

Yes indeed, although I'd done a lot of reading on the Russian Revolution and our Depression and so I had a 'feel' for what could happen. That was part of what inspired our 'commune' location since we'd read how a swathe of destruction spread out from the railway lines in Russia. Yes we had our secret stash and this and that but really it was kid's stuff. If we'd come up against the zombie hordes we'd be cooked.

I'd also done some travelling in Asia and I was in Indochina when all those governments were falling. It was very cool in those days to 'see the country before it goes' because the lifestyle would of course be destroyed by communist reforms. Not that the criminal bombings and mass exterminations by USA didn't do that already. (Nixon illegally bombed Laos and Cambodia and gave rise to the genocide of Cambodia and the 're-education' of Laos. Totally criminal acts. More bombs dropped on Laos, a neutral country , than during all of WW2. The military industrial complex was really raking it in in those days. Think of that next time you buy your GE toaster or your Dow weedkillers)

That's when I learned about hyperinflation and the advantages of cash in an emergency. In Laos, the government was trying to keep the markets at bay as the roads into town were being bombed and anyone who'd done favours for the americans were trying to get out. They set an official bank exchange rate of 850 kip to the dollar. (a bottle of coke cost 8 kip which gives you the relativity of the currency). As the Pathet Lao encircled the main cities, the blackmarket rate went to 6000 and 8000 some days. Cokes were still 8 kip which gives you the real relativity. You also could not wedge your foot into a gold shop they were so packed out. Only hope was to hold big wads of US dollars aloft and you'd be beckoned to the front. Those trying to convert their kip into real assets had little or no hope. A lot of those people ended up being re-educated for the next 15 years growing rice and starving.

Compared to those circumstances I don't feel too concerned about Australia overall in terms of SHTF scenarios. At least there aren't a lot of automatic weapons and rocket launchers here. As the guy in The Castle says - I don't care about the airplane noise, in Beirut the planes drop bombs.

Although my blood was chilled by this photo from Zero Hedge. Here are the clowns running the world watching television at the G8. Taking it really seriously. These are the kleptocracy and mass murderers that hold our fate in their hands. Terrifying.

G8.jpg

Source: Zero Hedge
 
p.s. apparently watching a Germany vs England football match. At least slightly pathetic in the scheme of things isn't it?
 
I have a three sided triangle

Cash or Equivolents
Equities
Commodities

there is always a percentage of all three - so I will never sell ALL my metal regardless of what happens

you can find out about the triad strategy of structuring a portfolio from DavidMacIlvany.com or the MacIlvany Weekly Commentary
 
"the May silver contract is giving away a 3% annualized profit to anyone who would sell physical silver and buy a May future that delivers in a few weeks (thus recovering the same position). Even more incredibly, no one can or will take the profit that is dangling out there!"

Hmm, 3% annualized on $30 is 90 cents. 90 cents over 2 weeks is 3.5 cents. That is not backwardation, it is a statistical error. Once you take off the costs of actually trying to arbitrage that backwardation you'd probably lose money. That's why it is dangling out there.
 
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