Genesis 47 Plan

JulieW

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Money Morning has been promoting videos of its Genesis 47 plan. Kris Sayce has prepared a longish presentation about the future of Superannuation in Australia.

You sign up for the link but it's worth a listen.

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20150304/genesis-47-government-super-grab-accelerating.html

Pension and superannuation funds are easy pickings for governments.
Even though it's private wealth, most folks don't pay much attention to it. And why should they? It's out of reach. Especially for younger folks, super is something they don't have to worry about for another 30 or 40 years.
So when the government dips its grubby hands in to 'borrow' from it, few seem to worry.
But they should worry. Because just like the tax system, when the government realises it can get away with one thing, it will try to get away with another.
Think about the Queensland Flood Levy. Once the government realised it could get away with a small tax, it took the next step and launched the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
Aussie governments have already raised taxes on super in recent years, so it's not hard to raise them further. That's just what they're about to do in this year's budget.
And boy, are they getting support for it from the vested interest groups
Trade union attack on private wealth continues
Maybe you're thinking, sure, that's happening in Greece, but Greece is a whole lot different to Australia.
Well, maybe not. As this report from Moneymanagement.com.au shows, there are plenty of supporters urging the government to raise taxes on super:
'Industry Super Australia (ISA) has again raised the question of Australia's high net worth individuals operating Self-Managed Superannuation Funds (SMSFs) being subject to greater scrutiny over the tax breaks they receive.
'ISA chief executive, David Whiteley has used an address to the Australian Workers Union national conference to point to the disparities which exist between the wealthy and Australia's low income earners when it comes to super tax concessions.'
There's a huge myth going around that suggests self-managed super funds (SMSF) operate in an entirely different tax system to normal retail or industry super funds.
It's simply not true. Any tax benefits that someone receives in a SMSF are the same that any other super fund owner can claim.
But that small point is lost on the pressure groups who hate that individuals can get their money away from the parasitic funds management industry.
And as for the idea that SMSFs are the playthings of the super rich, well, that's rubbish too. There are now over 520,000 SMSFs in Australia. And half of those have less than $500,000.
So it's hardly the preserve of the mega rich.
But it's all part of the propaganda. The game is to make you think that the system is unfair. It's to make you think that rich old blokes with moustaches, top hats, and cigars are ripping you off.
The truth is different. The truth is that the Genesis 47 plan is a concerted effort by government, the trade unions, and the funds management industry to nationalise your retirement savings.
There's no doubt this is happening. The next step for a major change in the super system will be in this year's May Budget. It's time to act and find out what you can do to protect your wealth.

More at the link.
 
Longish?! You are having a laugh! Bloody thing goes on for hours and is mostly repetition.

Not that I disagree with anything he was saying, but he said it over and over again, and again.

And is just a really long sales pitch for his subscription service, the free advice you get to fix all the things he mentions is only available when you sign up for the subscription. But you don't hear that until the end, I assume it was at the end, I switched it off after that.

He does make interesting points though, but not sure if I want to sit through that again, if he came to your house you would pay anything to get him to leave by the end of the presentation.
 
Joseph went and told Pharaoh, "My father and brothers, with their flocks and herds and everything they own, have come from the land of Canaan and are now in Goshen." 2 He chose five of his brothers and presented them before Pharaoh.

3 Pharaoh asked the brothers, "What is your occupation?"

"Your servants are shepherds," they replied to Pharaoh, "just as our fathers were." 4 They also said to him, "We have come to live here for a while, because the famine is severe in Canaan and your servants' flocks have no pasture. So now, please let your servants settle in Goshen."
 
The unions need to be banned from any involvement with Super funds. Talk about putting an organised crime syndicate in charge of the treasury....
 
boneyard said:
Joseph went and told Pharaoh, "My father and brothers, with their flocks and herds and everything they own, have come from the land of Canaan and are now in Goshen." 2 He chose five of his brothers and presented them before Pharaoh.

3 Pharaoh asked the brothers, "What is your occupation?"

"Your servants are shepherds," they replied to Pharaoh, "just as our fathers were." 4 They also said to him, "We have come to live here for a while, because the famine is severe in Canaan and your servants' flocks have no pasture. So now, please let your servants settle in Goshen."

Let's get the flock out of here!
 
Latest from Money Morning.
Possibly of interest to those with super obligations. I'd suspect that it would be more difficult to get at assets in an SMSF than by registered letter to an industry fund.

Check out this piece of propaganda from News.com.au:

'IT'S a key plank of every Aussie's financial security, but it has become a "broken system" that seriously favours the rich at the expense of everyone else.'

We won't pretend that super is perfect; it's not. In fact, we have a philosophical problem with it. We don't like it that the government forces your employer to withhold 9.5% of your salary in the first place.

But see how the attitude to super has changed in the mainstream? It wasn't so long ago that the mainstream (rightly or wrongly) praised super as the best retirement system in the world.

And yet today, thanks to a propaganda campaign by vested interests, it's now a 'broken system' that 'favours the rich at the expense of everyone else.'

We'll be blunt: Class warfare has broken out in Australia, and your private wealth is under imminent threat of confiscation.

Super for roads

When the government and lobby groups start attacking the rich, you know you're in trouble.

The rich are rich because they generally know how to keep their money safe from the government's grubby little hands.

Everyone else isn't so lucky.

When the rich go to see their tax advisor, the advisor will show them how to minimise taxes.

When everyone else goes to see their tax advisor, the advisor will play it straight down the line.

So whenever the government targets the so-called rich, it's not actually the rich who suffer, it's everyone else.

That's why we caution folks not to cheer so much when governments introduce policies to clamp down on the rich.

But the attack on super isn't just about that. The biggest threat is from the folks who want to get their hands on your money in order to spend it on pet projects.

Take this report from the Herald Sun:

'SUPERANNUATION funds should be used to bankroll new roads in Wyndham, a councillor says

'Councillor Heather Marcus has called on the Federal Government to start a superannuation scheme that would use cash from Australian superannuation funds worth more than $1 trillion to fund projects to combat congestion.'

Got that?

Folks now want your super money to pay for roads. And we're not talking toll roads either. At least that would generate some form of income.

Toll roads go bust too

This is the great myth of the super industry and the lobby groups. It's the idea that infrastructure on its own can build an economy.

That's completely wrong. Infrastructure projects should arise as a result of a productive economy. A business that expects to see a big increase in product sales may build extra infrastructure (such as a private roads, ports or rail lines) in order to cope with the demand.

But building something just for the sake of building something doesn't necessarily improve the economy. And it won't necessarily result in an income stream.

Exactly how would an extra lane on a toll-free road generate income?

Besides, let's not assume that all toll roads make money either. Perhaps you saw this report in the Sydney Morning Herald this week:

'IFM Investors has made its biggest international investment after acquiring an American tollroad part-owned by Macquarie that went bankrupt last year for $7.5 billion.

'IFM has acquired the Indiana Toll Road Concession, a 253-kilometre highway that runs from the border of Indiana and Ohio towards Chicago, giving it the rights to operate and maintain the road for the next 66 years.

'The road, previously jointly owned by Macquarie and Spanish infrastructure group Ferrovial, went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy in September due to poor traffic volumes and was put up for sale.'

Oh dear. And yet, if you listen to the lobbyists and the government, infrastructure projects are some sort of goose which continuously lays golden eggs.

Except they don't. Infrastructure projects have this tiny thing called 'maintenance costs'. It's not cheap to keep a road or bridge or rail line in good order.

But the lobbyists are trying to sell you on the idea that this is the most effective way to spend your super money. At the moment, the lobbyists are winning the argument.

The government has a $361 billion debt (that's up $3 billion in two weeks), a $32 billion budget deficit, and an election to win. What better way to win it than to raid your super in order to pay for a whole bunch of infrastructure projects in key marginal constituencies?

Of course the pollies could also listen to Jim Rickards and create a Bond program to fund infrastructure but that's probably too radical for most. Thieving is much more traditional.
 
'SUPERANNUATION funds should be used to bankroll new roads in Wyndham, a councillor says

'Councillor Heather Marcus has called on the Federal Government to start a superannuation scheme that would use cash from Australian superannuation funds worth more than $1 trillion to fund projects to combat congestion.'

Got that?

Folks now want your super money to pay for roads. And we're not talking toll roads either. At least that would generate some form of income.

In Wyndham? Seriously? Why don't you just steal everyones' super to pay junkies on the dole to dig holes and fill them in again, 'creating jobs'.
 
Money Morning said:
'IFM Investors has made its biggest international investment after acquiring an American tollroad part-owned by Macquarie that went bankrupt last year for $7.5 billion.

'IFM has acquired the Indiana Toll Road Concession, a 253-kilometre highway that runs from the border of Indiana and Ohio towards Chicago, giving it the rights to operate and maintain the road for the next 66 years.

'The road, previously jointly owned by Macquarie and Spanish infrastructure group Ferrovial, went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy in September due to poor traffic volumes and was put up for sale.'

Oh dear. And yet, if you listen to the lobbyists and the government, infrastructure projects are some sort of goose which continuously lays golden eggs.

Yeah, uh, well, it kinda depends on how much revenue that toll road brings in, doesn't it?

If MacBank bought it for $30 billion and their costs were higher than the profit, it would have been a shit investment for MacBank.

If IFM subsequently bought the same road with the same traffic volumes for $7.5 billion and their costs are lower that the profit - which is entirely possible with such a lower valuation - it'll be a good deal for IFM.


What isn't mentioned is that the guy heading up IFM, Garry Weaven, said they bought that road in the US because they can't find enough Australian infrastructure to invest their members' funds in, even though they'd prefer to invest the money locally.

He also said that - and this is important -
"We've never asked for any gimmicky bonds or special tax breaks for that asset class, it's really a matter of putting the deals together.

All financial investors will probably see it easier to look at existing assets, but that's no reason why our interests should be confined to that. It is very much about how the Government, with their advisers, can package a deal so that the risks and returns are appropriate."

The money is there, it's our idiot politicians and their planning lackeys that can't get their shit together and figure out what needs to be built and where. Our long term infrastructure pipeline is being run by people on 3 year contracts with renewal dependent on who can kiss electoral arse the best.

Here's an actual article with actual information on that deal: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/industry-funds-lament-lack-of-local-infrastructure/6309276

Yet another cherry picking exercise by Money Morning.
 
Has anyone downloaded the Exodus Initiative mentioned by Kris Sayce? Would you please share some of the tips?

Thanks

LD
 
Lord_Dudley said:
Has anyone downloaded the Exodus Initiative mentioned by Kris Sayce? Would you please share some of the tips?

Thanks

LD

Bump..
Anyone downloaded it yet?
 
well I was totally sucked in by the "FREE E BOOK AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION" and there was no such thing.... only an annual subscription to GET the free book and then I would have to cancel it.

Totally fake.... Loss of trust. It is all about $$$$ for him and it works.

If anyone wants to email me this free ebook (or better post it here, he did say on the record that it was FREE) go ahead.

Shiny
 
Not so much the Genesis 47 plan, but has anyone downloaded the exodus plan for super protection? Can anyone share it please?
 
Golightly said:
Can't take people that use 'folks' seriously

He does use it a lot, however it is not a bad choice, it is not age or gender specific and can be used for large or small groups when the individuals within the group are not known. Plus it is a way of lumping all the different groups into one enemy, instead of calling out the central planners, the central bankers, the unions and the government or whoever separately, he can call each group 'the folks who want to..." and then it can help keep the narrative flowing without the audience having to keep a cast of characters straight in their heads.

My only objection is was the repetitiveness of the whole thing, I could have been a two minute talk with "Buy my subscription!" at the end of it, but instead it went on for ages, I got the message but maybe he thought that he could wear me down and by the end of it I would be happy to buy his vacuum cleaner just to get him out of my house, because that is what his presentation reminded me of. And it lost all credibility to me because he wasn't upfront about the whole thing, claiming it was free but not mentioning that you had to buy a subscription to get it. I don't mind paying for stuff.
 
Hi all.

The above so called "free" book is a classic bait-and-switch tactic. As far as I know, it is actually illegal
under Australian law. It would be very interesting to see what the relevant authorities would think
about that......

The individual and company concerned are based in Melbourne, but appear to be a franchise of
an American company who offer the same "Free" content if you pay them a subscription. Usually
you will get 5 free "publications" once you pay.

Their offers all are verbose and never run to less than 28 pages, but more often than not
40 pages is the norm. As another person on this list said, it is highly repetitive. I suppose they think
that if they bore the reader to death you will subscribe out of sheer brain washed numbness.

If you google the parent organisation "Palm Beach" asssociates
all will be revealed.
Basically it is a business model based on verbose scare tactics - Chicken Little stuff.

Palm Beach seems to have an apparently endless number of sub-companies, all pedalling
financial advice, quite often one contradicts another. That way they cover all bases and all
possible financial investments.
One will tell you to buy precious metals, another will tell you only idiots do that - all
coming from the same source.

The Melbourne off-shoot does the same, they claim that they have an internal office policy
of independence and that each (snake oil) salesman presents their own research and view.
Yeah, right.
That way, they can always highlight one particular messiah in their office who accurately
predicted X and fail to mention all those who didn't, the particular messiah changes to
suit the outcome.
They are so lazy, that quite often they forget to change the wording sufficient to Australianise
their various "latest threat to your wealth" scares and leave in such giveaways as "your
congressman", "folks" and other Yank specific terms. I suppose it is really tedious to have to
Australianise 40 pages of waffle!

Regards
Andy
 
Results not typical said:
The unions need to be banned from any involvement with Super funds. Talk about putting an organised crime syndicate in charge of the treasury....

Great idea ~!! I know what we will do, give it all to the banks and they can invest it in Derivatives, and its gone. :) Surely you jest if you want the likes of Goldaman Sachs. J.P. Morgan to look after your super.

The only safe way to look after your super IMO IS DO IT YOURSELF. :)

Regards Errol43
 
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