SilverMike said:
Thanks for the info and the links silvermed, I'll have some time to read those later

Sounds messy, I've been looking into Provident Metals and Gold Mart for a 10oz year of the dragon bar anyway.
I received silver tigers bars from Provident that were damaged due to idiotically negligent packaging. I have posted the details somewhere. Even though I called immediately, they also refused to take them back and of course deleted my review.
My last two orders from Goldmart included some ASEs to get to the free shipping price point. All the ASEs from both orders were defective. They blamed the problems on the mint. The mint didn't send me the coins and the problems covered about 2/3s of each coin. Of course, my review was deleted. Apmex has been getting all my business lately. Fortunately for me, I have bought most of my gold and silver, because most of the North American dealers are not good. Used to be, my only concern was if I was ordering an older coin. Now, except for the perth mint, I am getting defective 2012 coins.