Free market regulation

Big A.D. said:
mmm....shiney! said:
Mmmm, pass legislation requiring screening of workers in certain industries, then introduce a fee that has to be paid, then keep upping the fee. Gotta love governments. :/

Indeed. It would be so much quicker and cheaper to forget all the paperwork and just get on with things.
:lol: Yes. Government child safety services around the country have a stellar record of performing in the interests of the most vulnerable members of society. It's not a lack of bureaucracy or of resources available to, say, hypothetically, check that the temporary guardian that is being paid to be a child's ward isn't a convicted sex offender who sexually abuses them on their first night. Most departments around the country have a toxic culture that is more concerned about covering their own arses or fighting internally than actually providing a service to the children placed into their care. Better governance is definitely required but given the waste and mismanagement it requires a clean-out right through to the top. It does not require yet more resources to be thrown into the black pit of DHS. Licencing and screening are only partially effective methods at best and are more about protectionism (and arse covering) for the privileged insiders.
 
And as far as I know, you have to have a clearance from each state you want to work in. A nurse I know has needed to get these from 3 states so far.
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Big A.D. said:
mmm....shiney! said:
Mmmm, pass legislation requiring screening of workers in certain industries, then introduce a fee that has to be paid, then keep upping the fee. Gotta love governments. :/

Indeed. It would be so much quicker and cheaper to forget all the paperwork and just get on with things.

Or not charge for the screening process. :rolleyes:

Surely a user-pays system is the fairest way of recovering the costs of screening?

Are you saying someone other than the individual receiving the accreditation should pay for it? Sounds very socialist to me.
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Mmmm, pass legislation requiring screening of workers in certain industries, then introduce a fee that has to be paid, then keep upping the fee. Gotta love governments. :/

Tell me about it. It costs $230 P/A for the privilege of having a licence to fix air conditioning on vehicles. Re-registration consists of going online, self certifying yourself by ticking boxes and punching in your credit card details. Value for money or what?
 
Big A.D. said:
mmm....shiney! said:
Big A.D. said:
Indeed. It would be so much quicker and cheaper to forget all the paperwork and just get on with things.

Or not charge for the screening process. :rolleyes:

Surely a user-pays system is the fairest way of recovering the costs of screening?

Are you saying someone other than the individual receiving the accreditation should pay for it? Sounds very socialist to me.


Mate, it's both an example of the financial hurdles that government put in place when they regulate and an example of how the government raises revenue under the guise of making the world a safer place for everyone. :|

A user-pays system for voluntary accreditation would be in the best interest of the free market. This allows comsumers to choose the level of accreditation that they wish the carer to have, with a resulting cost savings which is passed on if this is one of the criteria that a customer would be using to assess the different services on offer.
 
Basically all that regulation and associated fees are nothing but taxes with excuses.
Rather predictable because... what is State?
An institution that strives for being paid regardless what they do, inclusing and especially nothing and harm, without suffering punishments / consequences.
Much like the mafia and any organized criminals.
They inflict you havoc/loss, enough as to give you not much choice.
Then they come to offer you protection against it, at a price.
Put end to end and you can clearly recognize a license to steal, written by, and granted to, a thief. :D
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Mmmm, pass legislation requiring screening of workers in certain industries, then introduce a fee that has to be paid, then keep upping the fee. Gotta love governments. :/

Public sector workers have bills to pay, mortgages to pay. Inflation keeps going up you know. They have to have commensurate cost of living increases in their salaries. That money has to come from somewhere.
 
In my country, the average monthly pension/retirement fee of a public worker is over twice the one of a private worker. Yes, the average. The money for both comes from the latter.
 
And just in case you thought that on the whole parents were best placed to raise their own children:

Childcare workers say children won't meet their potential if their carers aren't properly qualified.

Childcare experts react angrily to Productivity Commission proposals

Children will struggle to meet their learning potential if a proposal to water down educational standards in early childhood is adopted, experts warn.

As part of its inquiry into creating a more sustainable childcare system, the Productivity Commission recommended lowering qualifications for staff who work with children under three.

But leaders in the sector rejected the proposal, citing evidence that quality early childhood education provided a strong foundation for lifelong learning.

All the "expert" women quoted had a financial stake in a government funded industry - whether it was a university position, child care centre owner or childcare umbrella organisation. And just in case any of you with infants had any preconceived notions that you had the capacity to act in the best interest of your child even if you have no formal qualification:

''NSW babies, like all children in Australia, will miss out really badly if you take away the need for their educators to be qualified.''

And finally:

Lyn Connolly, the owner of eight childcare centres in Sydney's west, said children deserved education and care, regardless of whether their parents were employed or not.

Ummm, why do your kids need day care if you don't go to work?
 
Went on a pub crawl on Tuesday, arrived at the last drinking hole at about 3pm, decided to have a shot of spiced rum no ice. The young bartender asked if I wanted a nip or a shot, confused I asked for a nip in a shot glass, she told me I can't have a shot of rum because shots can only be sold after 8pm, but I can have a normal glass with a nip in it. I said to her that makes sense, I'm 51, how would I be capable of knowing what's in my best self-interest? Thank the government for the Nanny State.

She looked at me, smiled and gave me the drink.
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Went on a pub crawl on Tuesday, arrived at the last drinking hole at about 3pm, decided to have a shot of spiced rum no ice. The young bartender asked if I wanted a nip or a shot, confused I asked for a nip in a shot glass, she told me I can't have a shot of rum because shots can only be sold after 8pm, but I can have a normal glass with a nip in it. I said to her that makes sense, I'm 51, how would I be capable of knowing what's in my best self-interest? Thank the government for the Nanny State.

She looked at me, smiled and gave me the drink.
Is that right ? They have no idea creating a law that has a huge hole in it .... priceless stupidity. You should be thankful ,your old enough to remember the pubs not opening on sundays & then sessions on sundays in QLD. Those were the days .... We just used to go to the army base to buy takeaway beer on sundays it was open everyday .( think about it the general population couldnt buy beer on sundays but the people protecting our country could be pissed as parrots ) so the stupid laws have been around since the 70s
 
Pet medication:

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All adding to the cost or limiting the information available to consumers to help them make their own informed decisions.

http://www.petceutics.com.au/faq/#answer1
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Went on a pub crawl on Tuesday, arrived at the last drinking hole at about 3pm, decided to have a shot of spiced rum no ice. The young bartender asked if I wanted a nip or a shot, confused I asked for a nip in a shot glass, she told me I can't have a shot of rum because shots can only be sold after 8pm, but I can have a normal glass with a nip in it. I said to her that makes sense, I'm 51, how would I be capable of knowing what's in my best self-interest? Thank the government for the Nanny State.

She looked at me, smiled and gave me the drink.
In the ACT it was restricted to certain "high risk" bars. When I wanted a nip of scotch without ice, I was informed that that was still classed as a shot and they weren't allowed to serve it after <whatever-it-was>PM.

I asked whether this stupid rule also referred to having to serve Cognac with ice (the horror :O ) To which, they said it was apparently ALL spirits. After some discussion he put a spoon in my whiskey glass, dropped an ice cube in which I then lifted straight out with the spoon.

Getting double shots to avoid having to line up at the bar for 5-10 minutes were also banned but he could sell me two glasses :rolleyes:
 
What I don't understand is why when regulators (i.e. the Govt.) increase taxes on things such as alcopops & cigarettes its because they want to decrease the public's participation in them...

but when they increase taxes on income & productivity they think it will do the opposite....
 
Recent AFR op-ed by David Leyonhjelm on our beloved ACCC regulator.

David Leyonhjelm said:
'The Sims 4' is the latest instalment of a computer game best described as a virtual but living dollhouse. There's no specific goal; players just create characters and then care for or irritate them as they please. It has been promoted as the 'game that lets you play with life like never before'.

It's hard to fathom, but 'The Sims' is one of the most popular computer games ever. It's also highly addictive, with players glued to their computers day and night.
I suspect that Rod Sims is a Sims addict.

Mr Sims is the chairman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. It seems he loves to delve into the mundane, day-to-day interactions of everyday Australians. I'm sure he cares for his characters, but they nonetheless register a fair deal of irritation in response to his manipulations. And often his manipulations do not seem to serve a specific goal.

For instance, Mr Sims and the ACCC love to check labels. They decided that Maggie Beer's slogan 'A Barossa Food Tradition' could appear on most of her food range, but not the ice-cream, biscuits, vinegar and olive oil. While they tasted exquisite, they were made in Queensland and Victoria.

Mr Sims and the ACCC also check websites. They don't like it when a website like Urbanspoon hosts comments from reviewers like 'this restaurant has nice ambience', when in fact the restaurant is far too noisy. That's why they said, 'It's time for the industry to bring its behaviour into line with ACCC expectations.'

Mr Sims and the ACCC set rules for the design of everyday items, so everyday Australians needn't worry about how to use things safely. For instance, they now regulate what type of material a hot water bottle must be, what thickness it must be, and how its cap needs to be shaped even producing a video showing best practice hot water bottle use. This is in response to estimates of around 200 hospitalisations each year from hot water bottle related burns, out of a population of 23 million.

Mr Sims and the ACCC like clear boundaries between the markets they scrutinise. So when Coles and Woollies offer fuel discounts that a business solely operating in the fuel market can't match, they don't like it. Four cents a litre off is okay, 8 cents is not.

Mr Sims and the ACCC want people to play fair, so they police rules preventing 'unconscionable' conduct. This may be a vague lawyer's term for something between 'unfair' and 'immoral', but rest assured, the ACCC knows it when it sees it. Mr Sims and the ACCC also issue various mandatory industry codes. In these they share, and impose, their wisdom in areas of ACCC expertise ranging from horticulture to groceries.

Mr Sims and the ACCC spend around $175 million a year manipulating markets as if they were playing a computer game. This cost does not count the red tape and legal costs imposed on businesses. The ACCC takes a lot of businesses to court, tending to lose the big cases but gaining comfort from putting businesses through the legal wringer. It would probably fail a cost benefit analysis, even if its market manipulations sometimes save consumers money.

The ACCC believes in a quaint microeconomic theory of yesteryear. Like Keynesian macroeconomics, it was crafted in a time of hope and innocence, when analysis was 'partial' and 'static' to use the language of economists and the bureaucracy was assumed to be omniscient, omnipotent, and benevolent. Unfortunately for the ACCC, 'general' and 'dynamic' analysis that accounts for imperfections in bureaucracy leads to far less interventionist conclusions.

The manipulations of Mr Sims would be vital if the world were as simple as the ACCC's microeconomic theory suggests. But alas, such a simple world is but a simulation.

In certain respects, the ACCC is a victim of progress. As markets have opened and liberalised over past decades, and as technology has quickened the sharing of information about good and bad businesses, the need for a market nanny has diminished. So we are left with a staffed up bureaucracy that seeks to legitimise the complaints of busybodies rather than promote competition with grown-up advice: 'buyer beware'. This leaves the ACCC tilting at windmills.

Mr Sims is passionate and energetic. He is also highly esteemed. He played a key role in the Prime Minister's Department driving the wide-sweeping deregulatory reforms of the Hawke-Keating era. It is just a shame that quixotic verve was more useful then, rather than now he is ACCC chair.
 
^^ Do you have link for that Bord?

I'm starting to like this guy. I wonder if he has always thought this way (libertarian) or whether it is a recent development for him.
 
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