Facebook's 'Libra'

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The Economist: Facebook wants to create a worldwide digital currency

Not a Cryptocurrency, just a digital currency transfer platform running off the back of FB's partners.

I can foresee at least 100+ thorny issues and know that thousands more do exist.

FB will stick to its core business of mining data on personal relationships to sell intrusive ads; like selling you ads on STI testing when it knows your 'action on the side' is messaging and meeting six other men every week.

You can bet your last ounce of silver that law enforcement agencies will make a big dog and pony show about how this is 'enabling money laundering and terrorism financing'.
 
FB can launch labra first in Singapore since practically everyone is using Whatsapp. Singapore's looking for a wechat like mobile payment solution and so far no one, including the main dbs bank seems able to make one that works.
 
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Someone has identified the major code flaws in the Libra codebase:

https://github.com/libra/libra/pull/83

I've discovered an alarming vulnerability, but fortunately there's a really simple fix so I've sent a pull request to address it.

In the current implementation, trusted 'validator nodes' are core to the security model. This means that hard power is centralised around these few entities. The protocol itself depends on these entities to (as the name suggests) validate the protocol. This means the protocol is whatever they decide it is. These entities can change the rules whenever they want. This means they can freeze your coins, take your coins, issue new coins, or really whatever they want - the sky is the limit.

This problem can easily be solved by using a permissionless system where the hard power is decentralisedacross a very large number of participants in such a way that making changes to the protocol is impossible without near unanimous agreement by everyone involved.

This pull request contains a patch to the existing codebase to resolve this issue.

Edit: related issue: binance-chain/node-binary#36
 
Battery Hen Bucks.

I wonder how many people will jump into the volcano clutching their Alexas and Echos and Home Pods dreaming about their wonderful Connected Lives?
 
Who would want to buy Sanitary Pads from SUCKERBERG? There must be a better option for men than Girlie Pads.
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Opinion piece today in the SMH re Libra.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/ban...ebook-s-digital-currency-20190702-p523an.html

Note: Extract from the article: " That would essentially mean that it – a self-governing club of private companies - had created its own central bank and fiat currency and the ability to create credit which would be disruptive, not just for banks, but for central banks and governments.



Why governments need to kill Facebook's digital currency
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Stephen Bartholomeusz
Senior business columnist
At the G20 meeting in Japan last weekend, national leaders were handed a letter from the Financial Stability Board (FSB) which contained a very timely message.

Among the key issues that the FSB chairman Randal Quarles highlighted in his letter, was the need to harness the benefits of financial innovation and technology while containing the risks.

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Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg. His Libra cryptocurrency poses a threat to global competition and financial stability.Credit:AP

He specifically referenced the use of "crypto-assets" for retail payment purposes and said their wider use would warrant close scrutiny to ensure that they are subjected to high standards of regulation.

The letter was timely, of course, because earlier last month Facebook, supported by 27 corporate partners, foreshadowed the launch of a new cryptocurrency, one with global ambitions that Facebook’s 2.4 billion user base could help realise.

While Facebook envisages launching the new digital currency in the first half of next year, the initial response of regulators and politicians suggests that might be too optimistic.

The idea of an unregulated global payments system owned and directed by a bunch of for-profit companies led by Facebook issuing its own currency is, at the very least, disconcerting.

If Facebook could establish the currency, Libra, as a global medium of exchange, however, its potential to disrupt and circumvent, not just banking systems but central banks and their governments, would represent something far more threatening.

The Bank for International Settlements said last weekend that cryptocurrencies issued by the big tech companies could rapidly establish a dominant position in global finance and pose a threat to competition and stability.

Unlike other cryptocurrencies, which have no intrinsic value and are therefore volatile, Libra would be backed by a basket of securities in a range of fiat currencies. As individuals buy Libra the Facebook consortium will acquire a matching amount of securities, reversing that process when Libras are being redeemed.

That means the value of Libras will be relatively stable, although because they will be backed by assets denominated in a small number of major currencies, they might fluctuate significantly relatively to individual fiat currencies.

Facebook plans to launch a cryptocurrency called Libra next year as part of its wider efforts to expand beyond social networking into e-commerce and global payments.

Initially, at least, Facebook is presenting Libra as an unregulated or "shadow" payment system that would be more efficient and timely than the fragmented range of existing payments platforms.

Those platforms are fragmented, and less efficient than perhaps they could be, because they are regulated at a nation-state level and their core participants are intensely-regulated financial institutions, with prudential requirements and other costly imposts like compliance with anti-money laundering, consumer protection and privacy laws.

Facebook’s Libra could materially reduce the friction costs of payments, particularly cross-border transactions, if it could avoid those expensive webs of regulation.

Given that the earnings on the assets that will back the issuance of Libra will, unlike the interest on bank deposits, ultimately flow to Facebook and its partners that regulatory arbitrage – the arbitrage between regulation and no regulation, or even just less regulation – could be highly profitable.

Facebook says it is initially targeting the 1.7 billion people who don’t have access to banking services, largely in developing economies. Its ambitions, however, aren't confined to the developing world.

It didn’t take long for analysts to conclude that, if Facebook were successful in driving acceptance of Libra in countries with central banks unable to defend the value of their currencies, its consortium could effectively drive monetary and fiscal policies in those economies.

It’s also isn’t a great stretch to envisage that at some point in future, if Libra becomes a popular medium for exchange, that Libra’s Swiss-based Libra Association might decide to offer more financial services and, in particular, might decide to offer credit.

That would essentially mean that it – a self-governing club of private companies - had created its own central bank and fiat currency and the ability to create credit which would be disruptive, not just for banks, but for central banks and governments.

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Financial Stability Board chair Randal Quarles.Credit:Bloomberg

There are those who think that prospect is risible but Facebook and the other tech giants have demonstrated their ability to exploit their economies of scale and network effects to create dominant global ecosystems with vast user numbers.

Financial information is essentially just data and Facebook and its partners should be able to grow Libra’s user base and exploit both its data and that within their existing networks for profit, if they are left to do so as loosely checked and regulated as big tech companies like Facebook and Google are today.

Even if it were to remain just a payments system, fully backing the Libras in circulation with the fiat currencies in its reserve, the decisions it made about which currencies and assets to buy would have the ability to move bond markets and currencies.

The notion that the Libra Association, an unregulated oligopoly led by Facebook, could become a global shadow bank or even a de facto global central bank is more than disconcerting.

That is why governments and central banks should do whatever it takes to try to ensure that Libra is regulated stringently enough to limit any systemic implications – or kill it off before it has the opportunity to develop them.
 
I guess if there are people dumb enough to put an Alexa or Apple home pod thing in their house then there are people dumb enough to use a Facebook currency.

“But it’s just sooooo convenient” Says the grazing animal.
 
There's way too much doublespeak in that article.

cryptocurrencies issued by the big tech companies could rapidly establish a dominant position in global finance and pose a threat to competition

pose a threat to competition and stability
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That means the value of Libras will be relatively stable
 
Members of the US Congress sent the following letter to Facebook regarding Libra:

https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1146208346543804418?s=20

Dear Mr. Zuckerberg, Ms. Sandberg, and Mr. Marcus:

We write to request that Facebook and its partners immediately agree to a moratorium on any movement
forward on Libra- its proposed cryptocurrency and Cali.bra-its proposed digital wallet. It appears that these
products may lend themselves to an entirely new global financial system that is based out of Switzerland and
intended to rival U.S. monetary policy and the dollar. This raises serious privacy, trading, national security, and
monetary policy concerns for not only Facebook's over 2 billion users, but also for investors, consumers, and
the broader global economy.

On June 18, 2019, Facebook announced its plans to develop a new cryptocurrency, called Libra, and a digital
wallet to store this cryptocurrency, known as Calibra. To assist it in this venture, Facebook has enlisted 27 other
companies and organizations to form the Libra Association, which is based out of Switzerland. These
companies span the financial services and retail industry and include payment systems, like Mastercard, Paypal,
and Visa, and technology giants, like Uber, Lyft, and Spotify. By the target launch date of early 2020, Facebook
hopes to have recruited over 100 firms into the Libra Association.

While Facebook has published a "white paper" on these projects, the scant information provided about the
intent, roles, potential use, and security of the Libra and Cali bra exposes the massive scale of the risks and the
lack of clear regulatory protections. If products and services like these are left improperly regulated and
without sufficient oversight, they could pose systemic risks that endanger U.S. and global financial stability.
These vulnerabilities could be exploited and obscured by bad actors, as other cryptocurrencies, exchanges, and
wallets have been in the past. Indeed, regulators around the globe have already expressed similar concerns,
illustrating the need for robust oversight.

Investors and consumers transacting in Libra may be exposed to serious privacy and national security concerns,
cyber security risks, and trading risks. Those using Facebook's digital wallet - storing potentially trillions of
dollars without depository instance - also may become unique targets for hackers. For example, during the
first three quarters of 2018, hackers stole nearly $1 billion from cryptocurrency exchanges. 3 The system could
also provide an under-regulated platform for illicit activity and money laundering.

These risks are even more glaring in light of Facebook's troubled past, where it did not always keep its users'
information safe. For example, Cambridge Analytica, a political consulting firm hired by the 2016 Trump
campaign, had access to more than 50 million Facebook users' private data which it used to influence voting
behavior.

As a result, Facebook expects to pay fines up to $5 billion to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC),
and remains under a consent order from FTC for deceiving consumers and failing to keep consumer data
private. In the first quarter of 2019 alone, Facebook has also removed more than 2.2 billion fake accounts,
including those displaying terrorist propaganda and hate speech. It has also recently been sued by both civil
rights groups as well as the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development for violating fair housing
laws on its advertising platform and through its ad delivery algorithms.

Because Facebook is already in the hands of over a quarter of the world's population, it is imperative that
Facebook and its partners immediately cease implementation plans until regulators and Congress have an
opportunity to examine these issues and take action. During this moratorium, we intend to hold public hearings
on the risks and benefits of cryptocurrency-based activities and explore legislative solutions. Failure to cease
implementation before we can do so, risks a new Swiss-based financial system that is too big to fail.

Sincerely,
 
If US government successfully bans Libra than bitcoin US ban won’t be far off.

Not possible to ban something that doesn’t even exist. I think mark suckerbeg wants to make use of the congress to curb bitcoin and other cryptos while he will redesign Libra to work within the newly defined legal constraints.
 
Don't hold your breath. Facebook has offices they can target. Bitcoin doesn't.

US banning bitcoin doesn’t mean it will disappear. It just won’t be readily for the public in USA and US banking system.
Just like drugs are banned in USA but it doesn’t mean you can’t get it.
 
US banning bitcoin doesn’t mean it will disappear. It just won’t be readily for the public in USA and US banking system.
Just like drugs are banned in USA but it doesn’t mean you can’t get it.

If they were going to go down that route they would have done it by now. I suspect the US government have an agenda to permit crypto and even encourage it. It helps them (and the world) move into a completely cashless society.
 
If they were going to go down that route they would have done it by now. I suspect the US government have an agenda to permit crypto and even encourage it. It helps them (and the world) move into a completely cashless society.

Cryptos will be regulated eventually. Bitcoin will have to evolve to survive.

If cryptos are regulated, silver will breakout. gold is in a different league. My gold is for hedging against inflation. My silver is to make real money.
 
Cryptos will be regulated eventually. Bitcoin will have to evolve to survive.

If cryptos are regulated, silver will breakout. gold is in a different league. My gold is for hedging against inflation. My silver is to make real money.

Cryptos are already heavily regulated at the exchange level, and all transactions are public.

So you're saying Silver will breakout because people who don't want crypo regulation will move into the PM market? Wouldn't the government then also regulate physical PM markets too? Making PM's either illegal, or highly regulated.

There's no way to escape the coming cashless world and negative interest rates. Any way to circumvent negative interest rates will be eliminated or taxed to death.
 
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