COVID-19: Early Release of Superannuation
- Thread starter Roswell Crash Survivor
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You don't need to provide evidence? What were they thinking...
I'm with Hostplus, double damn.
I'm with Hostplus, double damn.
Oh Shit,
2 days ago I logged into my super for first time in forever, (host plus)
I changed out of their balanced default share whatever into cash and gov bonds (latter being trash) with a small position in un hedged intl shares just for a giggle.
This choice was only because everything looked bad, huge 10-12% anual growth over the last few years but I just don't think that will continue.
I would pull the cash out and buy BTC or whatever, I never expect to receive my super in 28 years anyway
The Gov will pilfer it for some reason of their own creation.
Well that won't do their reputation any good. Members will rightly gets the shits and when they can I suspect many (as some have noted here) will move their super funds to another fund. Let's see how the ACTU / union bigwigs react to an industry fund puling this stunt!!!
Whilst I'm not saying it can't happen, but as a super fund only invests $ contributed by wage / salary earners, the risk is all yours...not theirs if the investments they have put your money into (or if you have selected a special type of investment) tanks...unit prices go down thus so does your super balance. As the super fund is only clipping the ticket on the way through for mgmt /admin fees, unless they have engaged in some form of highly leveraged investment (ie borrowed to invest, not just invest super fund received) or mgmt have done something underhanded I can't see why a super fund would go belly up....and given it's a industry / union fund, I suspect the union movement would lean on one of the other industry funds to "merge" rather than let itfall over.
Just remember, one of the key red flags for any kind of business sailing close to the wind is when directors resign suddenly. As HostPlus has two ex politicians Peter Collins (ex NSW Liberal Leade) and Mark Vale (ex Nats Leader & Deputy PM) on their board, if they jump ship, then it's worth having a close look.
This should be outright against the law. The thing is there are retired people like me who live off their super funds. Let say you are a half intelligent investor and you had a tummy rumbling that told you to go to cash. So now you are protecting your nest egg by being in cash because your tummy tells you it's going down further.....much further. Your plan is to ride it out in cash as long as it takes but in the mean time you are drawing down on your capital. Whoops, I've just incurred a major emergency that requires a large lump sum withdrawal. By law I am entitled to do this but hang on, my dip shit Super fund is restricting my cash out? Why? It is my money!
My opinion is this and I have done this at least 4 times in the past.
Liquidate everything in your present super fund to cash. Once done then you can change super funds very easily. Pick a fund, go online on their website. Do an ATO search of your super funds using your TFN and name. It will pick up your present funds with your current fund. Click join and withdraw in full, transfer into the new fund choosing the cash only method. I say cash only because markets are highly unstable right now and a single day doing the wrong sector can cost you 10's of 1,000's of $$$. Once you are settled in the new fund then you can think about allocating your capital, when you feel like it and pick what you want. By being in cash it can work against you too if share markets go up so be careful.
Disclosure: I am just and ordinary Super investor. I will not tolerate any Super fund changing the rules after I have joined them. This is not to be considered as financial advice. Changing funds could affect insurance and other benefits and could be detrimental to your finances in general. Be careful and do your own research.
Good luck out there, just remember, Super is really your money, real money that you can draw on after 60 years of age. I do it now and it works if you are with the right fund but if they told me that I can't withdraw lump sums anymore then I will flick them as quick as I took them on board. (Of course if the Government says otherwise then we have no choice.)
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Don't let that worry you. The government has no need to steal anyone's super. It's not going to happen.
Curios statement, do you believe this because than can just print money anyway? I heard rumors of gov eyeing off super funds years ago, as if they will be able to resist.
Yep, sovereign governments can print money at will. If there is a problem it will be with State super schemes like QSuper.
The rumours are most likely begun by those who don't understand how modern monetary theory works.
Jason1
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So roughly a month out from when this thread started.
from using standard generic fund stocks of sunsuper as a gauge, if you had of cashed out to buy gold, you would have ended up roughly with an extra loss of about a $2015 on $10k from taking it out and turning into gold vs just leaving it there, using graph on market opening from the sixth of 6th April till today.
due to stocks at the time were low and have since risen and gold was high and has since dropped.
hopefully a lesson learnt for some who give advice for people to sell $10k of super while the market is low to buy something that was high, and a lesson for those who follow the advice of randoms on a forum.
but then as predicted super withdrawals were wasted.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...s-spent-on-gambling-alcohol-takeaway/12306710
from using standard generic fund stocks of sunsuper as a gauge, if you had of cashed out to buy gold, you would have ended up roughly with an extra loss of about a $2015 on $10k from taking it out and turning into gold vs just leaving it there, using graph on market opening from the sixth of 6th April till today.
due to stocks at the time were low and have since risen and gold was high and has since dropped.
hopefully a lesson learnt for some who give advice for people to sell $10k of super while the market is low to buy something that was high, and a lesson for those who follow the advice of randoms on a forum.
but then as predicted super withdrawals were wasted.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...s-spent-on-gambling-alcohol-takeaway/12306710
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Without doing any figures by the looks of my portfolio my gold stocks are down further than gold over that time period.
This is a short-lived correction. Once the turmoil in the US blows over and the market wakes up to the economic basket case that is our economy, gold price in AUD should move north again.
It has a two-fold purpose from my understanding. It forces us to accept the currency they issue and it is a method by which the government can control inflation and resource use in the economy by balancing the amount of cash between the public and private sectors. If the private sector starts to overheat for example, the government can raise taxes to increase the amount of cash that is removed from the system, if the private sector is in a recessionary phase, the government can increase the amount of cash in the private sector by reducing the level of cash it withdraws from the economy.