Chinese counterfeits getting better every day...BEWARE
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Thanks for the post...
yep you have to be real careful nowadays, I actually had a customer come in the other day trying to sell me his "1908 Piastre coin", the coin looked really good, had a good ding to it as well, but the weight was off....
So just do your due diligence prior to purchasing and stick to reputable dealers.
yep you have to be real careful nowadays, I actually had a customer come in the other day trying to sell me his "1908 Piastre coin", the coin looked really good, had a good ding to it as well, but the weight was off....
So just do your due diligence prior to purchasing and stick to reputable dealers.
picturefun
Member
mmissinglink said:
How do you know these fake coins are made ONLY by Chinese???
Americans, Europeans, Russian, to name a few, ALSO make Fake coins!
As a matter of fact, percentage wise, LOWER percent of Chinese are ever engaged in this kind of Fraudulent act! Because there are 1.4 BILLION Chinese on this planet!
picturefun
Member
silvermed said:
I know this is off the topic. But you started this, NOT me.
"Chinese Culture of KNOCKING OFF"?? LOL. You sure has a big mouth! You do NOT know anything about history! You do NOT know anything about Chinese culture either!! You do sound like an ignorant person from The U.S. of A., and you do NOT even know your own history, which is not a surprise. The U.S. has a couple of decades to knock off the product made by Germany and other European countries too. So can I say that is the typical of U.S. culture?
Who invented papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing (both woodblock and movable type)? Chinese!
Go do some research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
China has been the source of many inventions,[1] including the Four Great Inventions: papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing (both woodblock and movable type). The list below contains these and other inventions.
The Chinese invented technologies involving mechanics, hydraulics, and mathematics applied to horology, metallurgy, astronomy, agriculture, engineering, music theory, craftsmanship, nautics, and warfare. By the Warring States period (403221 BC), they had advanced metallurgic technology, including the blast furnace and cupola furnace, while the finery forge and puddling process were known by the Han Dynasty (202 BC AD 220). A sophisticated economic system in China gave birth to inventions such as paper money during the Song Dynasty (9601279). The invention of gunpowder by the 10th century led to an array of inventions such as the fire lance, land mine, naval mine, hand cannon, exploding cannonballs, multistage rocket, and rocket bombs with aerodynamic wings and explosive payloads. With the navigational aid of the 11th-century compass and ability to steer at high sea with the 1st-century sternpost rudder, premodern Chinese sailors sailed as far as East Africa and Egypt.[2][3][4] In water-powered clockworks, the premodern Chinese had used the escapement mechanism since the 8th century and the endless power-transmitting chain drive in the 11th century. They also made large mechanical puppet theaters driven by waterwheels and carriage wheels and wine-serving automatons driven by paddle wheel boats.
The contemporaneous Peiligang and Pengtoushan cultures represent the oldest Neolithic cultures of China and were formed around 7000 BC.[5] Some of the first inventions of Neolithic, prehistoric China include semilunar and rectangular stone knives, stone hoes and spades, the cultivation of millet, rice and the soybean, the refinement of sericulture, the building of rammed earth structures with lime-plastered house floors, the creation of the potter's wheel, the creation of pottery with cord-mat-basket designs, the creation of pottery tripods and pottery steamers, and the development of ceremonial vessels and scapulimancy for purposes of divination.[6][7] Francesca Bray argues that the domestication of the ox and buffalo during the Longshan culture (c. 3000c. 2000 BC) period, the absence of Longshan-era irrigation or high-yield crops, full evidence of Longshan cultivation of dry-land cereal crops which gave high yields "only when the soil was carefully cultivated," suggest that the plow was known at least by the Longshan culture period and explains the high agricultural production yields which allowed the rise of Chinese civilization during the Shang Dynasty (c. 1600c. 1050 BC).[8] With later inventions such as the multiple-tube seed drill and heavy moldboard iron plow, China's agricultural output could sustain a much larger population.
For the purposes of this list, inventions are regarded as technological firsts developed in China, and as such does not include foreign technologies which the Chinese acquired through contact, such as the windmill from the Middle East or the telescope from Early modern Europe. It also does not include technologies developed elsewhere and later invented separately by the Chinese, such as the odometer and chain pump. Scientific, mathematic or natural discoveries, changes in minor concepts of design or style and artistic innovations cannot be regarded as inventions and do not appear on the list.
mmissinglink
Active Member
picturefun said:
I think you are taking this way too personally and in the wrong way.
I never and the article's author never claimed that only Chinese are making fakes....you are projecting some sort of personal insecurity.
From what I have been reading, the Chinese indeed are by far the largest supplier of counterfeits. I am a member of a coin forum that is specifically for Chinese coins, medals, and investments. Many of the members who post there are either very knowledgeable or are experts. Some are Chinese. It is many of these same people who admit that the Chinese engage in a high level of counterfeiting. These members are not making it up because they are racist or hate the Chinese but rather because this is the facts based on their experience.
If you don't like the fact that people criticize criminality when done by Chinese people, then that is your shortcoming to overcome. I have no problem condemning crooks who happen to be American, Greek, Nigerian, Israeli, or any other nationality. I am not going to begin to qualify my condemnation of Chinese crooks by every time also stating the name of every other nation where fakes have originated from...that's absurd. If certain fakes are known to come from China, then I will say the fakes are Chinese. Saying anything else makes no sense at all.
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I need a stack of these as DECOY in my wardrobe.
Personally I am tired of the Chinese company that for the last 3 years steals images from our website, makes appalling copies of our goods and then sells them back into Australia and uses our own photographs to promote their crappy copies. But that's just me. I don't thing that all of the fake Rolex, Louis Vuitton, Cartier, Name brand SD cards and RAM, fake Sony car stereos, fake Panda's, fake Ray Ban's, fake rice, fake wine, fake eggs, gutter oil and an endless list of other knock-off's are being made in a factory in Germany...
Stark said:
I believe they are referred to as "night factories". Start up the production lines at night and make extra items to sell in the side.
baggiochan
New Member
I don't think that this article means counterfeits are all made in China, but the said counterfeit was made in China! Chinese have many invention in the past such as printing, I know it s true because I m a Chinese! But the said counterfeit is also made in China! There is no contradiction between these two facts and it will be too sensitive to debate historial background of a country just because of this article.
picturefun
Member
baggiochan said:
What you said is Rubbish! Your sentence can be applied to ANY Country on this planet! The title of this thread is VERY MISLEADING! Since the link has NOTHING
to do with Chinese fake coin at all! This is NOTHING but bashing without ANY fact to support. I am Sick and Tired of it.
I saw another thread talked about fake Tiffany, but it was faked by Germany. And there is NO specific mention of Germany!
So making fake coins has and can happened in ANY countries!!
It is NOT China's invention of Faking anything!! It can happen everywhere!
And BTW, I have seen Many Han Jian Chinese like you, who always think the moon in the West is rounder than it in China. I am SO VERY Ashamed of you!
picturefun said:
To be precise: the seller of fake Tiffany coin is from Spain, not Germany.
About other coin I'm waiting feedback from CIT.Joke aside. Most of the things we use are made in China. China has biggest population in the world. So if equal percentage of people in each country would sell fake things (we take 10% for easier calculation) that would mean (rough numbers):
- Slovenia: 200 000
- Germany: 8 000 000
- USA: 30 000 000
- China: 150 000 000
So no wonder the most "fake" things come from China (if we consider population).
I would assume that most of the fake things would come from the countries where most originals things are made, because it's easier to copy the production procedure.
Don't get me wrong. I don't say that Chinese are making most fakes, or having anything against Chinese people. Is no wonder that since China has biggest population that a lot of fake things come from that. Some sellers on fakeBay completely ruined the population of normal, honest Chinese people.
I know there were some issues in the past, mostly between US and China, regarding legal rights.
On Russia you have (had) markets selling copies of games. They maybe closed them down because of WTO.
It's probably the same in many other countries. People in less developed countries can harder purchase original things so you have many fakes there.
As I've said, this is real pity for hones Chinese people. Is like in some old movies - few Italians were shooting each other on the streets and a lot of (US) people think that Italian people are only mobsters.
I was on Greece few years ago and in Italy (Genova). A lot of people sell fakes there, on the streets. Who is making these fake I dunno.
baggiochan
New Member
picturefun said:
But the article really said that the counterfeit was made in China. If you don't agree w/ it, just find the writer and argue w/ him. For sure I understand every country could produce fake stuffs, however is it neccessary to only focus on the wording of a post and make long arguement on it? There is a Chinese sentense say"clean water is clean water, dirty water is dirty water". Making a 1000 words post could defence nothing unless we do "real" things to show our trustful, honestly and polite, the ethic of Chinese, but not by a 1000 words post and call someone go against you as Han Jian.
The post is misleading? Maybe but it does not worth more than a cent for me because I have faith on my nation (be aware, is nation, not country!) and won't be hurted just by a post!
I m a Chinese and publically stated where I come from, but you?