Brexit Wins- UK to Leave the EU

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If there's one thing worse than a professional politician, it's a journalist politician ...

There are liars and then there's Boris Johnson and Michael Gove

The Brexit figureheads had no plan besides exploiting populist fears and dismissing experts who rubbished their thinking

Where was the champagne at the Vote Leave headquarters? The happy tears and whoops of joy? If you believed Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the Brexit vote was a moment of national liberation, a day that Nigel Farage said our grateful children would celebrate with an annual bank holiday.

Johnson and Gove had every reason to celebrate. The referendum campaign showed the only arguments that matter now in England are on the right. With the Labour leadership absent without leave and the Liberal Democrats and Greens struggling to be heard, the debate was between David Cameron and George Osborne, defending the status quo, and the radical right, demanding its destruction. Johnson and Gove won a dizzying victory with the potential to change every aspect of national life, from workers' rights to environmental protection.

Yet they gazed at the press with coffin-lid faces and wept over the prime minister they had destroyed. David Cameron was "brave and principled", intoned Johnson. "A great prime minister", muttered Gove. Like Goneril and Regan competing to offer false compliments to Lear, they covered the leader they had doomed with hypocritical praise. No one whoops at a funeral, especially not mourners who are glad to see the back of the deceased. But I saw something beyond hypocrisy in those frozen faces: the fear of journalists who have been found out.

The media do not damn themselves, so I am speaking out of turn when I say that if you think rule by professional politicians is bad wait until journalist politicians take over. Johnson and Gove are the worst journalist politicians you can imagine: pundits who have prospered by treating public life as a game. Here is how they play it. They grab media attention by blaring out a big, dramatic thought. An institution is failing? Close it. A public figure blunders? Sack him. They move from journalism to politics, but carry on as before. When presented with a bureaucratic EU that sends us too many immigrants, they say the answer is simple, as media answers must be. Leave. Now. Then all will be well.

Johnson and Gove carried with them a second feature of unscrupulous journalism: the contempt for practical questions. Never has a revolution in Britain's position in the world been advocated with such carelessness. The Leave campaign has no plan. And that is not just because there was a shamefully under-explored division between the bulk of Brexit voters who wanted the strong welfare state and solid communities of their youth and the leaders of the campaign who wanted Britain to become an offshore tax haven. Vote Leave did not know how to resolve difficulties with Scotland, Ireland, the refugee camp at Calais, and a thousand other problems, and did not want to know either.

It responded to all who predicted the chaos now engulfing us like an unscrupulous pundit who knows that his living depends on shutting up the experts who gainsay him. For why put the pundit on air, why pay him a penny, if experts can show that everything he says is windy nonsense? The worst journalists, editors and broadcasters know their audiences want entertainment, not expertise. If you doubt me, ask when you last saw panellists on Question Time who knew what they were talking about.

Naturally, Michael Gove, former Times columnist, responded to the thousands of economists who warned he was taking an extraordinary risk with the sneer that will follow him to his grave: "People in this country have had enough of experts." He's being saying the same for years.

If sneers won't work, the worst journalists lie. The Times fired Johnson for lying to its readers. Michael Howard fired Johnson for lying to him. When he's cornered, Johnson accuses others of his own vices, as unscrupulous journalists always do. Those who question him are the true liars, he blusters, whose testimony cannot be trusted because, as he falsely said of the impeccably honest chairman of the UK Statistics Authority, they are "stooges".

The Vote Leave campaign followed the tactics of the sleazy columnist to the letter. First, it came out with the big, bold solution: leave. Then it dismissed all who raised well-founded worries with "the country is sick of experts". Then, like Johnson the journalist, it lied.

I am not going to be over-dainty about mendacity. Politicians, including Remain politicians lie, as do the rest of us. But not since Suez has the nation's fate been decided by politicians who knowingly made a straight, shameless, incontrovertible lie the first plank of their campaign. Vote Leave assured the electorate it would reclaim a supposed 350m Brussels takes from us each week. They knew it was a lie. Between them, they promised to spend 111bn on the NHS, cuts to VAT and council tax, higher pensions, a better transport system and replacements for the EU subsidies to the arts, science, farmers and deprived regions. When boring experts said that, far from being rich, we would face a 40bn hole in our public finances, Vote Leave knew how to fight back. In Johnsonian fashion, it said that the truth tellers were corrupt liars in Brussels' pocket.

Now they have won and what Kipling said of the demagogues of his age applies to Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.

I could not dig; I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?


The real division in Britain is not between London and the north, Scotland and Wales or the old and young, but between Johnson, Gove and Farage and the voters they defrauded. What tale will serve them now? On Thursday, they won by promising cuts in immigration. On Friday, Johnson and the Eurosceptic ideologue Dan Hannan said that in all probability the number of foreigners coming here won't fall. On Thursday, they promised the economy would boom. By Friday, the pound was at a 30-year low and Daily Mail readers holidaying abroad were learning not to believe what they read in the papers. On Thursday, they promised 350m extra a week for the NHS. On Friday, it turns out there are "no guarantees".

If we could only find a halfway competent opposition, the very populist forces they have exploited and misled so grievously would turn on them. The fear in their eyes shows that they know it.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars
 
Politicians lie to win elections.

Mainstream media lies to sell newspapers or make a buck or curry favor some other way.

I trust neither.

I'm not buying into any emotional debate. There are clearly a lot of jaded remain voters around and I'm not invested enough to care about a campaign that lost. But complaining about not having a detailed "leave plan" is a bit like complaining that the Liberals/Labor aren't putting a detailed 4 year "how we will run the country plan" on the table before the election.

The guts of it is this - The UK public wants to get out of the EU. It is up to the leaders of the country to figure out how to make this happen. Up until now the leaders of the country didn't want to and so now the leadership must change.
 
BuggedOut - I'm not disagreeing. I think the leaders of 'Leave' campaign sold the UK public a lemon, and now those same shonky leaders are going to be the ones in charge of "figuring it out".
 
BuggedOut said:
Politicians lie to win elections.

Mainstream media lies to sell newspapers or make a buck or curry favor some other way.

I trust neither.

I'm not buying into any emotional debate. There are clearly a lot of jaded remain voters around and I'm not invested enough to care about a campaign that lost. But complaining about not having a detailed "leave plan" is a bit like complaining that the Liberals/Labor aren't putting a detailed 4 year "how we will run the country plan" on the table before the election.

The guts of it is this - The UK public wants to get out of the EU. It is up to the leaders of the country to figure out how to make this happen. Up until now the leaders of the country didn't want to and so now the leadership must change.

Fully agree it's fanciful to think the party in "opposition" like the brexit would have a detailed plan, and fully understandable too.
Let's just hope brexit have a enough capable people to organise a swift withdrawal. The workload just increased five fold.
 
scrooged said:
whinfell said:
BuggedOut - I think the leaders of 'Leave' campaign sold the UK public a lemon.

How so?

Many of those who voted to leave have done so in the belief of a "better Britain" - being masters of their own destiny and other idealist notions. I think that what they're going to find is that reality is starkly different -

* While the formal exit from the EU may take 2 to 2.5 years, the ramifications are going to last for a generation or more.
* Until the exit is formally concluded, the UK is legally bound to accept EU migrants on the same terms as now, and there will be increased migration to the UK over the next 2-2.5 years.
* Right-wing nationalist groups will become increasingly violent against migrants leading to riots and hate crimes.
* The Scots, Welsh, Irish, and for good measure, the Cornish nationlists will agitate for their own independence. There is the real prospect of Disunited Kingdom in a possible future.
* The pound has dropped significantly, and will continue to drop as this plays out
* The EU will be merciless in negotiating terms of the trade with the UK - the UK are going to come off second best
* Many companies will relocate to the EU in order to benefit from a larger market, and say FU to what's left of the Disunited Kingdom.
* The UK economy is going to contract, and unemployment is going to rise. Rinse and repeat.
* Etc.

But the Brits will be able say, with a stiff upper lip, "but we voted to be masters of our own destiny" and claim moral victory. Whoopee-doo! :/
 
Is London real estate a better buy now? I hear there is 10% discount due to the recent currency devaluation :)

Any suburb recommendations? :)
 
George Soros and Lord Jacob Rothschild writing pieces in the corporate media decrying how important it is for Britain to remain in the EU.

Is the best evidence that they should leave immediately.

I bet we wont see any more referendums for it in the EU in case they go this way as well.
 
whinfell said:
For motorbikez and others Brits who voted leave - I absolutely respect your democratic right for the Brtiish people to vote to be masters of your own destiny.

Now you have ask yourselves, where's the plan for what you're going next - the so-called 'Leave plan'? Apparently there isn't one - Boris and the rest of the clowns who agitated for 'Leave' haven't got a Brexit plan, presumably because they didn't think they'd need one! These are the idiots now in charge of your country. FFS!


You are right there isn't one because Cameron & The BOE treated the electorate with contempt as they were so sure of winning the vote. Although Cameron is resigning he should have been sacked if that is possible with loss of pension etc for his lack of forethought, the government is paid to govern & plan for eventualities Cameron has done neither. All he will have been thinking about is taking his position on the EU gravy train in Brussels & f--k the electorate.

Re Boris he is not in the government he is a back bench MP but I hope he puts himself forward for PM.
 
Big A.D. said:
motorbikez said:
The EU is a disaster zone of its own making & it is not going to get any better unless there is radical change, the UK has set the ball rolling.

The EU is currently enjoying the longest period of peace since Jesus Christ walked the earth.

If you want to see a proper disaster zone, there are plenty of places in the world you can visit. Reading the Daily Mail and grumbling about there being more brown people about doesn't count.


I don't read the Daily Mail, I read the Times & don't imply I 'm a racist you know nothing about me. I have no problem about people coming to the UK to work whatever their colour or religion, what I do have a problem with is people coming here to take the p--s out of our generous benefits system.
 
Joking aside, Brexit won't make any difference.
The rich will still be rich, the poor will still be poor, and we'll still blame foreigners.
Ricky Gervais (@rickygervais) June 24, 2016


"I know the young people of Britain have lost hope and feel let down,' he joked. "But relax. The reintroduction of National Service will sort you out. I can't believe it took a referendum for Britain's youth to find out that old people hate them."
 
JulieW said:
A petition calling for another EU referendum has passed 1.75 million signatures.

"We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum," the petition reads. Overall, the turnout in the EU referendum on 23 June was 73 per cent, and 51.8 per cent of voters went for Leave.

The petition has been so popular it briefly crashed the government website, and is now the biggest petition in the site's history.

After 10,000 signatures, the government has to respond to an official petition. After 100,000 signatures, it must be considered for a debate in parliament.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...rendum-petition-passes-175-million-signatures

EXCLUSIVE: Brexit '2nd Referendum Petition' A 4 Chan Prank: BBC Report It As Real
exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real

Second referendum petition: Inquiry removes at least 77,000 fake signatures, as hackers claim responsibility for 'prank'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ll-for-second-brexit-vote-gains-more-than-39/

Hah! Liberal Media Gets Punked by 4Chan Petition for Second Brexit Vote was Spammed
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...nked-4chan-poll-second-eu-referendum-totally/
 
mmm....shiney! said:
HoldMeTender said:
Invoking Jo Cox there might possibly be perceived to be in poor taste...

Well did she want a Brexit or not?

Taste is subjective.

Shiney I believe you know the answer to your question.

You also know she is one of a very few democratically elected officials in modern history to have been murdered in cold blood over her views on a mainstream political issue.. so I think many people would question the taste and tact of anyone crowing over her posthumous defeat in this referendum.

Believe me, my standards of taste are pretty low, but I draw the line at dancing on the freshly-dug grave of an innocent.

The hashtag Vote For Jo strikes me as crass and opportunistic too.
 
The danger is that more countries will leave the E.C. , maybe Greece, Spain, France, Denmark or the Eastern countries... but that is good for gold ;-)
 
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Europe's bank stocks index fell 7.7 per cent, wiping out more than one-fifth of its value in two days and ending just a handful of points above lows reached at the height of a eurozone debt crisis at the end of 2011.

Ratings agency Standard & Poor's added to the pain, stripping Britain of its last remaining top-notch credit rating.

The UK's rating was slashed by two notches from AAA and Standard & Poor's warned more downgrades could follow.

Mr Osborne said the British economy was strong enough to cope with the volatility caused by the referendum, the biggest blow since World War II to the European goal of forging greater unity.

But his words failed to halt the fall of sterling, which later sank to its lowest level against the US currency for 31 years, continuing the slide that began last week.

Abc news
 
Silver-Collector said:
The danger is that more countries will leave the E.C. , maybe Greece, Spain, France, Denmark or the Eastern countries... but that is good for gold ;-)

Remember that the Eastern countries are Orthodox and can align themselves with Russia. Meanwhile the southern countries are the siesta Catholics which are already basket cases so have little to lose if they leave the Union. Finally, the Northern Protestants are the backbone to the Union and other than Germany would be glad to get rid of the others.
 
boyd_05 said:
JulieW said:
A petition calling for another EU referendum has passed 1.75 million signatures.

"We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum," the petition reads. Overall, the turnout in the EU referendum on 23 June was 73 per cent, and 51.8 per cent of voters went for Leave.

The petition has been so popular it briefly crashed the government website, and is now the biggest petition in the site's history.

After 10,000 signatures, the government has to respond to an official petition. After 100,000 signatures, it must be considered for a debate in parliament.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...rendum-petition-passes-175-million-signatures

EXCLUSIVE: Brexit '2nd Referendum Petition' A 4 Chan Prank: BBC Report It As Real
exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real

Second referendum petition: Inquiry removes at least 77,000 fake signatures, as hackers claim responsibility for 'prank'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ll-for-second-brexit-vote-gains-more-than-39/

Hah! Liberal Media Gets Punked by 4Chan Petition for Second Brexit Vote was Spammed
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...nked-4chan-poll-second-eu-referendum-totally/




That is gold, God I love 4chan. Not quitew as good as pissing for feminism but close.

And for BBC.... well that is a lost cause.
 
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