BITCON... WHY its totally FLAWED

How can people justify buying some electronic code over gold and silver, I don't understand.

I might buy 2 bit coins and view it as a sort of long shot lottery ticket, but there's no way I'll buy more than that.
 
gcsun said:
I just bought 10 bitcoins. Will hold long term but wont be buying any more.

Good work.. i should of also.. the price is just insane.. $72.50! WOW!~

1for1
 
1for1 said:
gcsun said:
I just bought 10 bitcoins. Will hold long term but wont be buying any more.

Good work.. i should of also.. the price is just insane.. $72.50! WOW!~

1for1

Only 2/3 days ago it was low 60s!

I follow Bitcoin Australia on twitter and there was an article link predicting bitcoin to go 100k+

Whilst I dont buy into that rubbish, it does seem to have some potential as a global currency in a world that is becoming more digitalised centric every day...
 
salty lemon said:
How can people justify buying some electronic code over gold and silver, I don't understand.

700% return this year alone, compared with a near 0% return (if not a loss) on gold and silver.

That is my justification!
 
1for1 said:
Good work.. i should of also.. the price is just insane.. $72.50! WOW!~

1for1

This sure sounds like a bubble to me, i.e. parabolic rise. Probably not ready to pop yet, but I would buy-in now.
Let'em fools play their fool's games.

Have you heard about Russian MMM? It's rising as well you might want to participate. ;)
It's a classic Ponzi scheme though and they're not even hiding it! :o
 
What about computer programs? They are virtual too, yet people buy them.

Bitcoins have utility. It's a payment system as well as a currency. People see the value in it.

I'm glad I don't have to buy now. Considering I would only get a small fraction of the coins I used to get, it just doesn't seem worth it to buy any more.
 
If EVERYONE USES IT, then once all have been issued.. each bitcoin will be worth over a million.. but thats assumming it has a 100% takeup with no major incedints on the way.. its a big specualtion but so is selling to book 900% profits when the upside is soo extreme..

Im going make or break on bitcoin.. cant bear to sell at $80!

Im actually liking the thrill of a highly speculative investment.. compared to my SAFE gold and silver investments.. i like the contrast TBH.. and very happy with it... ill be loving it when they all go up in unison like last light.. SWEET AS BRO!

1for1
 
Bullion Baron said:
pro$pector said:
700% return this year alone, compared with a near 0% return (if not a loss) on gold and silver.
That is my justification!
That's easy to say in hindsight. Do you think those buying now at $70 will also be looking at a 700% return over the next few months?

Hard to say really, I bought some at $48 AUD on Friday last week...pretty decent return for 1 week if you ask me!

If I was forced to take a guess, those buying at $70 today may well be selling for $100 next week. Happy to be proved wrong and called out on it though.

In my opinion, BTC has $100 written all over it in the short term...from there, I have no idea...I'll sell the lot at $98/$99.
 
pro$pector said:
Bullion Baron said:
pro$pector said:
700% return this year alone, compared with a near 0% return (if not a loss) on gold and silver.
That is my justification!
That's easy to say in hindsight. Do you think those buying now at $70 will also be looking at a 700% return over the next few months?

Hard to say really, I bought some at $48 AUD on Friday last week...pretty decent return for 1 week if you ask me!

If I was forced to take a guess, those buying at $70 today may well be selling for $100 next week. Happy to be proved wrong and called out on it though.

In my opinion, BTC has $100 written all over it in the short term...from there, I have no idea...I'll sell the lot at $98/$99.

I see your logic but what would cause a sell off .. the geeks are not your typical hedge fund that will profit take at a price point.. i actually see at the end of PRODUCTION that selling at a $100 may make you rip your hair out when that time comes in a couple of years .. but really its all up in the air.. i am scared my wallet wont sync up or something more than the price plummeting.

totally agree it will snap past $100 in the VERY short term and that may be a price point where some choose to sell.. interesting people are saying bubble and a huge price run up will result in selling.. but really these are unventured waters so no real precedent to base these thoughts on.

1for1
 
1for1 said:
I see your logic but what would cause a sell off .. the geeks are not your typical hedge fund that will profit take at a price point.. i actually see at the end of PRODUCTION that selling at a $100 may make you rip your hair out when that time comes in a couple of years .. but really its all up in the air.. i am scared my wallet wont sync up or something more than the price plummeting.

totally agree it will snap past $100 in the VERY short term and that may be a price point where some choose to sell.. interesting people are saying bubble and a huge price run up will result in selling.. but really these are unventured waters so no real precedent to base these thoughts on.

1for1

Want to know what already makes me rip my hair our - I spent 400 BTC in early January, at an average cost of around $13 each...so what cost me $5000 would be like $28,000 worth now if I'd held them.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
^ I'm surprised to see you saying you will sell the lot at 100 or so. Especially since we are so close, and still little knowledge of them in society.

Basically, I am keeping an eye on developments and if I see a potential competitor only then will I consider selling. Until then, I'm riding it all the way and let's see where it goes.

You might end up bald if you sell them all at 100. :)
 
hawkeye said:
^ I'm surprised to see you saying you will sell the lot at 100 or so. Especially since we are so close, and still little knowledge of them in society.

Basically, I am keeping an eye on developments and if I see a potential competitor only then will I consider selling. Until then, I'm riding it all the way and let's see where it goes.

You might end up bald if you sell them all at 100. :)

Agree again, however that's not to say I won't buy back.

Like you I believe a correction must happen to some point...I feel it may be at $100...I HOPE its not at $1000... :lol:

I'm a trader, whether it be stocks, BTC or gold/silver...you have to take profits in the "trader" role.
 
US Begins Regulating BitCoin, Will Apply "Money Laundering" Rules To Virtual Transactions
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/21/2013 21:22 -0400

Last November, in an act of sheer monetary desperation, the ECB issued an exhaustive, and quite ridiculous, pamphlet titled "Virtual Currency Schemes" in which it mocked and warned about the "ponziness" of such electronic currencies as BitCoin. Why a central bank would stoop so "low" to even acknowledge what no "self-respecting" (sic) PhD-clad economist would even discuss, drunk and slurring, at cocktail parties, remains a mystery to this day. However, that it did so over fears the official artificial currency of the insolvent continent, the EUR, may be becoming even more "ponzi" than the BitCoins the ECB was warning about, was clear to everyone involved who saw right through the cheap propaganda attempt. Feel free to ask any Cypriot if they would now rather have their money in locked up Euros, or in "ponzi" yet freely transferable, unregulated BitCoins.

For the answer, we present the chart showing the price of BitCoin in EUR terms since the issuance of the ECB's paper:

BitCoin%20Nov%20Now.jpg


Therein, sadly, lies the rub.

As central banks have been able to manipulate the price of precious metals for decades, using a countless plethora of blatant and not so blatant trading techniques, whether involving "banging the close", abusing the London AM fix, rehypothecating and leasing out claims on gold to short and re-short the underlying, creating paper gold exposure out of thin air with which to suppress deliverable prices, or simply engaging in any other heretofore unknown illegal activity, the parabolic surge in gold and silver has, at least for the time being - and especially since the infamous, and demoralizing May 1, 2011 silver smackdown - lost its mojo.

But while precious metals have been subject to price manipulation by the legacy establishment, even if ultimately the actual physical currency equivalent asset, its "value" naively expressed in some paper currency, may be in the possession of the beholder, to date no price suppression or regulation schemes of virtual currencies existed.

It was thus only a matter of time before the same establishment was forced to make sure that money leaving the traditional M0/M1/M2/M3 would not go into alternative electronic currency venues, but would instead be used to accelerate the velocity of the money used by the legacy, and quite terminal, monetary system.

After all, what if not pushing savers to spend, spend, spend and thus boost the money in circulation, was the fundamental purpose of the recent collapse in faith in savings held with European banks?

So, as we had long expected, the time when the global Keynesian status quo refocused its attention from paper gold and silver prices, to such "virtual" currencies as BitCoin has finally arrived.

The WSJ reports that, "the U.S. is applying money-laundering rules to "virtual currencies," amid growing concern that new forms of cash bought on the Internet are being used to fund illicit activities. The move means that firms that issue or exchange the increasingly popular online cash will now be regulated in a similar manner as traditional money-order providers such as Western Union Co. They would have new bookkeeping requirements and mandatory reporting for transactions of more than $10,000. Moreover, firms that receive legal tender in exchange for online currencies or anyone conducting a transaction on someone else's behalf would be subject to new scrutiny, said proponents of Internet currencies.

And just like that, there goes a major part of the allure of all those virtual currencies such as BitCoin that consumers had turned to, and away from such rapidly devaluing units of exchange as the dollar and euro. Because if there was one medium of exchange that was untouched, unregulated, and unmediated by the US government and other authoritarian, despotic regimes around the insolvent "developed world", it was precisely transactions involving BitCoin.

That is no longer the case, as the bloodhound of the Federal Reserve has now turned its attention toward BitCoin, and will not stop until it crashes both its value to end-users, and its utility, in yet another attempt to force the USD, and other fiat, upon global consumers as the only forms of allowed legal tender.

More from the WSJ:

The rising popularity of virtual currencies, while no more than a drop in the bucket of global liquidity, is being fueled by Internet merchants, as well as users' concerns about privacy, jitters about traditional currencies in Europe and the age-old need to move money for illicit purposes.

The arm of the Treasury Department that fights money laundering said Monday that the standard federal banking rules aimed at suspicious dollar transfers also apply to firms that issue or exchange money that isn't linked to any government and exists only online.
Naturally, the actual object of US monetary persecution, is BitCoin:

"We are beyond the stage where this was just funny money and a fun online thing. This is used as a currency," said Nicolas Christin, associate director of Carnegie Mellon University's Information Networking Institute.

Bitcoins can be used in a host of legitimate transactionsfor example, website Reddit allows users to upgrade services using bitcoins and blog service Wordpress.com's store accepts them as a form of payment. Pizzaforcoins.com also lets bitcoin savers pay for deliveries through Domino's and other pizzerias.
The problem with virtual currencies is that defining what is permitted in a narrow regulatory sense, is impossible, which is why any definition will be as broad as possible: after all what better way to spook users than to make virtually any transaction borderline illegal:

Creating clear-cut rules for virtual currencies is difficult. A FinCen official said that anti-money-laundering rules would apply depending on the "factors and circumstances" of each business. The rules don't apply to individuals who simply use virtual currencies to purchase real or virtual goods.

The new guidance "clarifies definitions and expectations to ensure that businessesare aware of their regulatory responsibilities," said Jennifer Shasky Calvery, FinCen director.

The FBI report last year said Bitcoin attracts cybercriminals who want to move or steal funds. "Bitcoin might also logically attract money launderers and other criminals who avoid traditional financial systems by using the Internet to conduct global monetary transfers," the report said. An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment when asked about the agency's concerns regarding virtual currencies.
We were not the only ones to expect imminent intervention from Big Brother:

Some firms say they anticipated the rules. Charlie Sherm, chief executive of bitcoin payment processor BitInstant, said his company is already compliant.

Mr. Christin of Carnegie Mellon said that he believes Bitcoin's dominant use right now is speculation.

"When you have a commodity or currency whose value has grown as rapidly as Bitcoin it makes sense to hold on to it as a speculative instrument," he said. It also is commonly used for online black markets or gambling sites. "Whether used for money launderingthere is no smoking gun."
As to the question of timing - why now - the answer is simple. Europe. After all, it was only yesterday that we wrote that "In Spain, The Bitcoin Run Has Started." It is self-explanatory that if such an exodus away from legacy currencies and into BitCoin was left unchecked, more and more people would follow suit, which is why it had to be intercepted as early as possible.

The jump in the bitcoin exchange rate this week also coincides with concerns euros could be taken from retail bank accounts in Cyprus to fund a bailout. Internet blogs say speculators are looking toward currency alternatives.
Well, if internet blogs say... Of course, internet blogs also say that if and when the fascination with virtual currencies fizzles, all those who are disgusted with the abuse of fiat will not cease from seeking USD, EUR, JPY, GBP and CHF alternatives, but will merely go back to the safety of having hard assets as a currency, namely silver and gold, instead of electronic ones and zeroes, which the US government, in all its Orwellian benevolence may one day, for lack of a better word, hack right out of existence.

On the other hand, the regime's desperation is reaching such a level that a Executive Order 6102-type confiscation of all hard asset currencies may not be far behind.

Because forewarned, is forearmed.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...onsider-virtual-transactions-money-laundering
 
So Mt Gox does Aussie bank deposits now - I checked a few days back and they still said no on the website.

Have you ever cashed out from Mt Gox - what options do they have except for a wire?
 
Sold mine all off at like $35 :((
Bought back in at $57 ... what a ride!

The other mate who got 30 off me for $300 is having good days too. Ive stopped warning him to sell them off cause I dont know how high it will go. But surely there will be a sell off sooner or later.
Max Keiser is swearing black and blue that he cant see a bubble forming...?

Anyway had this up on my spare screen today, noticed they looked alike... Doesn't mean anything, just thought it was pretty neat :P

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Litecoin pools got DDoS attacked today to attempt a 51% attack. People mining in pools can't mine so it makes it easier to have 51% of the network hash rate. Might be a trail run for Bitcoin as they have less people solo mining.

I am going to trial litecoin for a couple of days see how I go.
 
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