Bitcoin is Dead

lurk@l0t said:
yeh bitcoin definitely is dead! :lol:

price has risen $25 (us) in the past hour...

Bitcoin as an investment might be doing quite nicely but as a medium of exchange?!

Why would I buy a pizza with my bitcoins if I could get another three if I waited a hour? (Disclaimer: I have no idea how much a pizza costs)

Why would I accept bitcoins for my products if the value of bitcoins could drop lower than the cost of the item?

I am waiting for bitcoins to become more than just a way of investing or buying drugs. Once it is stable and I can make transactions that don't require bank fees and foreign exchange fees I will dive right in, the anonymous aspect is just a bonus.
 
Jislizard said:
lurk@l0t said:
yeh bitcoin definitely is dead! :lol:

price has risen $25 (us) in the past hour...

Bitcoin as an investment might be doing quite nicely but as a medium of exchange?!

Why would I buy a pizza with my bitcoins if I could get another three if I waited a hour? (Disclaimer: I have no idea how much a pizza costs)

Why would I accept bitcoins for my products if the value of bitcoins could drop lower than the cost of the item?

I am waiting for bitcoins to become more than just a way of investing or buying drugs. Once it is stable and I can make transactions that don't require bank fees and foreign exchange fees I will dive right in, the anonymous aspect is just a bonus.

It is at this stage certainly not the best medium of exchange in terms of its ability to retain value, but that much can be expected from a wild stallion. :D

"Why would I accept bitcoins for my products if the value of bitcoins could drop lower than the cost of the item?" - Because there are third party payment gateway providers that are willing to take that risk in exchange for a small percentage/fee. E.g. if you want to sell your product for the BTC equivalent of $100, you will in the final equation receive exactly $100 and not the equivalent in BTC.
 
"Why would I accept bitcoins for my products if the value of bitcoins could drop lower than the cost of the item?" - Because there are third party payment gateway providers that are willing to take that risk in exchange for a small percentage/fee. E.g. if you want to sell your product for the BTC equivalent of $100, you will in the final equation receive exactly $100 and not the equivalent in BTC.

I wasn't aware of that, thanks.

The main thing I like about the whole concept of bitcoin (As I understand it) is getting rid of the middle men who leach off the transactions, bankers, foreign exchanges, governments etc. I quite liked PayPal until I reaslied how badly I was getting screwed on the foreign exchange rates, they weren't charging me much for the transaction but they were creaming it on the exchange, not sure if they also have to pay someone for the exchange rates as well but when the AU$ is doing so badly anyway it is a shock to get an even worse exchange.

Does anyone charge for transactions using bitcoin?
 
Jislizard said:
Does anyone charge for transactions using bitcoin?

Not exactly, nobody "charges" you for it. Bitcoins are created by people spending money on little boxes that do maths and process the transactions. If you want your transaction to go through quickly you could pay a higher transaction fee or you could pay none and wait longer, it's up to you. Your fee goes towards someones power bill and some pie.
 
wbdynamics said:
Jislizard said:
Does anyone charge for transactions using bitcoin?

Not exactly, nobody "charges" you for it. Bitcoins are created by people spending money on little boxes that do maths and process the transactions. If you want your transaction to go through quickly you could pay a higher transaction fee or you could pay none and wait longer, it's up to you. Your fee goes towards someones power bill and some pie.

Transaction Fees :(

I don't actually mind paying for a service if it is decent enough, I already pay transaction fees for everything else. I guess that it would be a lot to ask for someone to go to all this trouble out of the goodness of their heart, have to make money out of it somehow.
 
Jislizard said:
"Why would I accept bitcoins for my products if the value of bitcoins could drop lower than the cost of the item?" - Because there are third party payment gateway providers that are willing to take that risk in exchange for a small percentage/fee. E.g. if you want to sell your product for the BTC equivalent of $100, you will in the final equation receive exactly $100 and not the equivalent in BTC.

I wasn't aware of that, thanks.

The main thing I like about the whole concept of bitcoin (As I understand it) is getting rid of the middle men who leach off the transactions, bankers, foreign exchanges, governments etc. I quite liked PayPal until I reaslied how badly I was getting screwed on the foreign exchange rates, they weren't charging me much for the transaction but they were creaming it on the exchange, not sure if they also have to pay someone for the exchange rates as well but when the AU$ is doing so badly anyway it is a shock to get an even worse exchange.

Does anyone charge for transactions using bitcoin?

You're most welcome. One of the greatest benefits of Bitcoin is having the ability to send/receive money within minutes to and from any part of the world that has access to the internet. Another benefit is that there is no central issuing authority - from a monetary perspective, this reduces exposure to the failure of a country's government or currency. In order to stop it dead in its tracks and not just slow it down, the authorities will have to shut down the internet permanently. In terms of transaction fees, it depends on more than one factor. Basically, the less risk you wish to take and the faster you wish to see a transaction completed, the more you can expect to pay in terms of transaction fees.

Needless to say, Bitcoin is a wild horse that still needs to be tamed. It is not something that should carry one's life savings. Physical gold and silver remain king.
 
silverbullion said:
In order to stop it dead in its tracks and not just slow it down, the authorities will have to shut down the internet permanently.

Actually all they'd have to do is fire up enough computing power to take control of the block chain and its game over
Or declare it legal tender and therefore anyone running the blockchain generating new coins would be guilty of counterfeiting and no one would be able to transfer coins without a financial services license
Or declare transactions illegal and block the IP of anyone using it just as they did with copyright infringement and shut down/fine out of existence any business that accepts it

In short, if .gov wanted bitcoin dead it would be dead. But as long as they can keep seizing them and auctioning them of for millions of dollars and it is zero threat to the established system they will probably ignore it.
 
How legal will bitcoin be once this lot establish themselves?


Nine of world's biggest banks join to form blockchain partnership
Reuters News | Sep 15, 2015
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By Jemima Kelly

LONDON (Reuters) - Nine of the world's biggest banks including Goldman Sachs and Barclays have joined forces with New York-based financial tech firm R3 to create a framework for using blockchain technology in the markets, the firm said on Tuesday.

It is the first time banks have come together to work on a shared way in which the technology that underpins bitcoin - a controversial, web-based "crytocurrency" - can be used in finance.

Over the past year, interest in blockchain technology has grown rapidly. It has already attracted significant investment from many major banks, which reckon it could save them money by making their operations faster, more efficient and more transparent.

The new project, the result of more than a year's worth of consultations between R3, the banks and other members of the financial industry, will be led by R3 CEO David Rutter, formerly CEO of electronic trading at ICAP Electronic Trading, one of the world's largest interdealer brokers.

"We held several roundtables...to deeply consider what the possible implications of the blockchain were, and what it could possibly do to save money, and time, and to create a better paradigm for the world of Wall Street and finance," Rutter told Reuters on Tuesday.

Those that have signed up to the initiative so far are JP Morgan, State Street, UBS, Royal Bank of Scotland, Credit Suisse, BBVA and Commonwealth Bank of Australia.

The blockchain works as a huge, decentralized ledger of every bitcoin transaction ever made that is verified and shared by a global network of computers and therefore is virtually tamper-proof. The Bank of England has a team dedicated to it and calls it a "key technological innovation".

The data that can be secured using the technology is not restricted to bitcoin transactions. Two parties could use it to exchange any other information, within minutes and with no need for a third party to verify it.

Rutter said the initial focus would be to agree on an underlying architecture, but it had not yet been decided whether that would be underpinned by bitcoin's blockchain or another one, such as one being built by Ethereum, which offers more features than the original bitcoin technology.

Once that had been agreed on, Rutter said, the first use of the technology might be the issuance of commercial paper on the blockchain.

"I think that these technologies will probably be post-trade," he said. "I think savings are in the settlement side, in post-trade, in issuance, but not in exchange trading or OTC trading any time in the near future." He added that R3 will soon announce a few more banks joining the project.

"These new technologies could transform how financial transactions are recorded, reconciled and reported all with additional security, lower error rates and significant cost reductions," said Hu Liang, Senior Vice President and head of Emerging Technologies at State Street, in a statement.

townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2015/09/15/nine-of-worlds-biggest-banks-join-to-form-blockchain-partnership-n2052640
 
Great..., this has been floating around a while now was only a matter of time till they went public with it, I started moving to block chain based start ups rather than just trading and holding Bitcoin this year, currency was only one trivial use of the block chain, though it's not lost on me it was probably an FBI creation and while we think we are being really clever we are spending on an open ledger, just what the ATO would want..
 
willrocks said:
SilverDJ said:
Altima said:
I don't think bitcoin is achieving widespread popularity yet.
I will believe that when my parents ask me if I have any bitcoins for sale :p

I'll believe it when my mother finally hears about it and asks me what all this bitcoin hoopla is.

Unfortunately the history of old people being good indicators of new technology isn't great.

I take exception to these statements. :P :P Maybe the word 'most' inserted before the word 'old' would be kinder to those of us who in the forum who are are more mature. :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2015/10/04/2016-may-be-bitcoins-biggest-year-yet.html
 
I bought something from a website today that was 20% less if you paid in BTC (saving ~ $60)
 
ninteno said:
new ath in btc trading volume, around 2,800,000 btc / 24h

Prob has something to do with the news of creating a Bitcoin reserve?
 
Looks like Bitcoin becomes more and more mainstream - just noticed a very big dealer in singapore accepts bitcoin - https://www.bullionstar.com/

Hopefully perthbullion will accept them also soon, that will make money transfer cheap and quick, no more fees involved

Its all, but not dead
 
ninteno said:
Looks like Bitcoin becomes more and more mainstream - just noticed a very big dealer in singapore accepts bitcoin - https://www.bullionstar.com/

Hopefully perthbullion will accept them also soon, that will make money transfer cheap and quick, no more fees involved

Its all, but not dead

Or Goldstackers, Though I have read the reason's before why they dont, to do with GST and volatility
 
Golightly said:
ninteno said:
Looks like Bitcoin becomes more and more mainstream - just noticed a very big dealer in singapore accepts bitcoin - https://www.bullionstar.com/

Hopefully perthbullion will accept them also soon, that will make money transfer cheap and quick, no more fees involved

Its all, but not dead

Or Goldstackers, Though I have read the reason's before why they dont, to do with GST and volatility

Goldstackers accepts btc now ? Can't see it, maybe while checkout ?
 
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