Bailout of Cyprus to cost depositors 10% immediately

The obvious solution for the Cypriots is to turn around to the EC and say

"Sorry - no can do - looks like bank bankruptcy and exit from the Union.

Oh - you don't want that? You think that any exit clears a path for further exits? You feel you might see the whole house of cards take a hit?

Then run the printing presses a little longer and pony up the extra, which is a minute fraction of what you've been shovelling elsewhere"


This looks increasingly like a 'clever' intellectual banker/Eurocrat thought experiment that has got out of the test tube and is poised to sweep the World.
 
Jim Sinclair is adamant that they are screwing with the money of the Russian KGB and mafia and they really don't want to be doing that and the the Cypriot government ministers involved have put their very lives at risk by double-crossing the Russians with this plan.

See: http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn..._Breaking_Loose_After_Cyprus_Catastrophe.html

A realisation that explains the drawing out of the issue and deferal of blame onto the EU.

President Nicos Anastasiades was trying to compel policymakers in Brussels to soften demands for a tax to be assessed on Cypriot bank deposits, saying EU leaders used "blackmail" to get him to agree to those conditions early on Saturday in order to receive a bailout package worth 10 billion euros ($12.5 billion).

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/frantic-leaders-rush-to-avert-cyprus-collapse-20130319-2gbqs.html
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And the Cypriot Finance Minister going to Russia to try and calm their concerns. (A reference from The Age I can't find now.)

I guess the effects of Polonium-210 in the soup of Alexander Litvinenko might be one of their concerns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

In other news, apparently all the British ex-patriot retirees living in Cyprus are not too happy either.

When you consider that more than half of the deposits in Cypriot Banks are Russian and then you factor in the savings of the ex-patriot retirees, there will be a whole lot of money exiting Cyprus in quick fashion.
 
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Lovey80 said:
Ok it's late and I am severely tired so I am not going to read all 5 pages to see if this has been answered, so.

Do I have this right?

The two major banks in Cyprus are about to go belly up. One causing the other. The result for depositors according to the PM is that depositors would be lucky to get back 40c on the dollar if a natural bankruptcy was to take place. Europe has agreed to bail these two banks out, but one of the conditions is that they take a MUCH smaller haircut of up to 10c in the dollar because the Cypriot government can't cover the losses.

Do I have this part right?

If so what are they having a whinge about?
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In a bankruptcy what is supposed to happen is the bank closes, the bank staff lose their jobs, the shareholders get wiped out and the govt protects the deposits of the citizens.

The govt has said they cant afford to protect the deposits, so they will instead protect the bank, the bank staff and shareholders and screw the citizens.

I would say that is something to be pissed off about.
 
BTW As an advocate of sound money I reckon hitting the savers before taxpayers (but with demand depositors being the most senior debtors of all besides workers) is the right way to go like in the "good old days". The real issue in my mind is how we transition back to such a world rather than do it overnight.
 
Gino said:
So, banks are closed from Friday until Thursday, possibly longer. How are people that need money to buy food and medicines going to get by?

This will turn very ugly very quickly as people realise they can't eat!

This is Their fruit and Their promise.
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Another good reason to have 'preps'.
 
So savers have been shafted. If you live on credit, borrow and live a life of largesse you won't be affected. If you go without and save your money, then you will be ripped off. Great message the ECB is sending there.
 
bordsilver said:
Lovey80 said:
Ok it's late and I am severely tired so I am not going to read all 5 pages to see if this has been answered, so.

Do I have this right?

The two major banks in Cyprus are about to go belly up. One causing the other. The result for depositors according to the PM is that depositors would be lucky to get back 40c on the dollar if a natural bankruptcy was to take place. Europe has agreed to bail these two banks out, but one of the conditions is that they take a MUCH smaller haircut of up to 10c in the dollar because the Cypriot government can't cover the losses.

Do I have this part right?

If so what are they having a whinge about?
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Yep. Got it in one.

IMHO The people are rebelling about being targetting directly for such a bailout rather than indirectly as has been done to date.

They were told their banks were safe ("stringent" stress tests in 2011 etc).
They were told the Government deposit guarantees meant something so there's no need to panic.
They were led to believe that demand deposits are always the last thing to be hit (i.e. hit bondholders and non-savings creditors - haircuts to the "risk taking" investors not to the "ordinary" savers).
They were led to believe that the ECB has everything under control and will do anything (except outright theft) to protect the banking system.

All of these are being proven to be the lies that stackers like us have been warning against for years. It's become mainstream. :)
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Thanks I thought as much. As for Germany/ECB not making others take a haircut I really couldn't care exept that it really is the bond holders of bank and sovereign debt that need to take the largest haircut. And when I say that, I mean if after a 100% loss to bond holders the depositors need to take a 10% haircut then that's what has to happen. If bond holders aren't taking a 100% hit then this rock show of a bank run needs to start sooner rather than later.
 
Caput Lupinum said:
In relation to looting etiquette, how long are banks required to be closed before one takes up cinder blocks? Surely if the banks are closed until next week there will be riots and lootings.
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Havnt people heard of Internet banking?????????

Wouldnt be hard to electronically transfer your funds elsewhere.
 
Court Jester said:
Caput Lupinum said:
In relation to looting etiquette, how long are banks required to be closed before one takes up cinder blocks? Surely if the banks are closed until next week there will be riots and lootings.
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Havnt people heard of Internet banking?????????

Wouldnt be hard to electronically transfer your funds elsewhere.
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From what I've read the Cyprus banks disabled ALL electronic transfers.
 
Heavy Penalties been threatened if people move their money electronically, but what are they going to do, tax them more, perhaps a threat for citizens or others living there but not off shore people or corporations. Having said that, perhaps they have disabled the electronic banking over there
 
ShadowPeo said:
Heavy Penalties been threatened if people move their money electronically, but what are they going to do, tax them more, perhaps a threat for citizens or others living there but not off shore people or corporations. Having said that, perhaps they have disabled the electronic banking over there
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Bah the russians wouldnt care about heave penalties as they are not citizins.

Possibly they have disabled all electronic banking but that would cause havoc for a week with no access to physical cash and no access to electronic funds so it seems unlikely.

You would not beable to buy groceries / fuel you kow ther basics to live on.

It I lived there and I had savings and no external bank account I would pay all my saving onto my credit card to put that into credit, they should not beable to touch that.
 
All electronic bank transfers from Cyprus banks have been disabled. If they weren't, there would not be a concern about bank runs as the money would have already been transferred out. People would be using computers rather than bulldozers to try and access their money.
 
Cypriot banks banned online transfers and emptied cashpoints to stop withdrawals;
The levy could be automatically taken from accounts as early as Wednesday;
British tourists were told to ensure they had multiple sources of money;
The chief minister of the euro area refused to rule out similar levies elsewhere;
Analysts said the raid could fall foul of the European Convention on Human Rights;
Traders are braced for turbulence on international stock markets today



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-taxpayers-bail-victims-outrageous-raid.html
 
for internet banking to work, someone have to authorise it on the other end.

as long as you are still in the system, there is no way you can escape the rorts.

the thing is to play their game along (deep in debt, stack, positive cash flow). long life banks....
 
Cypriot Govt had better put a rush order into a good mint to start issuing new cypriot pounds or whatever they choose once they get kicked out of the Euro. Or they may choose to use another soverign's currency like Zim does with the Rand & $US :-)
 
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