Bailout of Cyprus to cost depositors 10% immediately

valuecreator said:
I don't see what's the problem here.



After all, isn't taxes the price we pay for civilization?

/sarc

Taxing your already taxed savings. its like taxing your profits. we all Know your profit is what you have left after being raped by the Tax Office
 
The propaganda machine is in full power right now.

MSM are demonizing Cyprus savers as 'money launderers' and 'tax evaders' already and that it's ok (TM) to steal from people that allegedly 'steal'.

Times like these are when we all are reminded that hard assets such as Gold, Silver, RE are what we should be holding to protect our wealth and not a few digits or pieces of paper with a 'guarantee'.
 
1776 ? not much happening here:).Violence has been solving problems like theft since before we fell out of the trees
 
nickybaby said:
So what would you do if I came and took 10% of your savings, Write me a nasty letter ? Let me guess, call the Cops ? The difference here is that it is the system that is doing the thieving with no recourse within the law. Thuggish pathetic mob mentality ? What do you call the orchestrated theft from millions of people in order to prop up the banking cartels of the west ?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Thomas Jefferson

This will be the last time i reply because you seem to want to just argue rather than actually understand the point i am making.

If you came and took 10% of my savings i would not go on a general bender and just rage and burn stuff down. Which is what you seem to be saying. How is it acceptable to go and burn down anything because someone has stolen something from you? Go and take it back sure but not go and burn everything down.

Since when does violence equate to making a point? Can you not make the point without violence? or are your skills at arguing so poor that you must resort to violence? If you hate the systems we have in place, please tell me or show me a better system.

You also seem to be bringing in arguments that I have not even touched upon. What does "What do you call the orchestrated theft from millions of people in order to prop up the banking cartels of the west" have to do with my opinion on violence?


Anywise im off to stack more silver, you can go and get some fuel and make a cocktail to burn down stuff, enjoy.

Sometimes you have to make a stand. violence is the only thing that works,as history will show.
you can talk till you are blue in the face to a oppressive government it wont change a thing .
Go and take it back,what if they wont give it back what then.
Read some history
 
radiobirdman said:
Sometimes you have to make a stand. violence is the only thing that works,as history will show.
you can talk till you are blue in the face to a oppressive government it wont change a thing .

Read some history
Gandhi :D
 
bordsilver said:
radiobirdman said:
Sometimes you have to make a stand. violence is the only thing that works,as history will show.
you can talk till you are blue in the face to a oppressive government it wont change a thing .

Read some history
Gandhi :D

One example out of thousands. and i dont think it was as peacfull as you think.

At least you didnt say Nelson (im a terrorist) Mandela
 
Me don't like bankers ...
that's why I do as little business with them as possible ...
the less fees they earn (from me included), the more they claim from government, the faster government defaults and we restart. I don't see another solution to the current problems.
 
radiobirdman said:
bordsilver said:
radiobirdman said:
Sometimes you have to make a stand. violence is the only thing that works,as history will show.
you can talk till you are blue in the face to a oppressive government it wont change a thing .

Read some history
Gandhi :D

One example out of thousands. and i dont think it was as peacfull as you think.

At least you didnt say Nelson (im a terrorist) Mandela

What were the violent examples that worked?
 
hawkeye said:
radiobirdman said:
bordsilver said:

One example out of thousands. and i dont think it was as peacfull as you think.

At least you didnt say Nelson (im a terrorist) Mandela

What were the violent examples that worked?

Sh*t i dont have all day. 99.9% of all overthrown oppressive Regimes, Monarchys, governments,Tribal chiefs.
has been violent


Dont they teach history anymore :(
 
systematic said:
This is what can happen with an electronic money system. Hopefully this will bring out the fact that digital money is NOT safe.
Cypriots would have been safe/safer with Bitcoin!
 
Mr Medved said:
systematic said:
This is what can happen with an electronic money system. Hopefully this will bring out the fact that digital money is NOT safe.
Cypriots would have been safe/safer with Bitcoin!

they would be much more safe with precious metals.
btw prices for precious metal (not "precious" paper) went up in Cyprus ...


well, to all who keep their fiat in banks you will get what you deserve!
why?!
because you have been warned for a long by many
 
radiobirdman said:
bordsilver said:
radiobirdman said:
Sometimes you have to make a stand. violence is the only thing that works,as history will show.
you can talk till you are blue in the face to a oppressive government it wont change a thing .

Read some history
Gandhi :D

One example out of thousands. and i dont think it was as peacfull as you think.

At least you didnt say Nelson (im a terrorist) Mandela
According to the source of absolute truth (also known as the lazy bastards source):

- The Revolutions of 1989: Even though many of these revolutions did not take place entirely in 1989, they are usually grouped together as such.
19871989 The Singing Revolution a cycle of singing mass demonstrations, followed by a living chain across the Baltic states (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia), known as the Baltic Way.
1989 The Peaceful Revolution in the German Democratic Republic leading to the fall of the Berlin Wall
1989 The Velvet Revolution the bloodless revolution in Czechoslovakia leading to the downfall of the communist government there.
1989 The bloodless revolution in Bulgaria that resulted in the downfall of the communist government.

...but I can't really be stuffed double checking how "nonviolent" they really were. Stick with Gandhi as the best example.

Edit: The "appropriate" level of violence versus nonviolence is always a cost benefit analysis on a case by case basis. Historically, violence has probably been used more often to change the boundaries of an existing regime rather than to dismantle an existing one from within. Sweeping generalisations are invariably wrong (including this one )
 
radiobirdman said:
hawkeye said:
radiobirdman said:
One example out of thousands. and i dont think it was as peacfull as you think.

At least you didnt say Nelson (im a terrorist) Mandela

What were the violent examples that worked?

Sh*t i dont have all day. 99.9% of all overthrown oppressive Regimes, Monarchys, governments,Tribal chiefs.
has been violent


Dont they teach history anymore :(

They were all replaced with oppressive regimes weren't they? Or haven't you taken a look at the world today?

Even the American example. Only 80 or so years later you had a civil war there and a couple hundred years later a government far worse than the King was from whom they rebelled.

Violence begets violence. Either violence is OK or it isn't. Most people understand violence is not OK. What we need to do is convince people that violence is not OK just because you have the label of government. That they are people just like us with no more rights or privileges than anyone else. Then the cycle of violence that is the history of the world can be broken.
 
Seeking an end to all violence is like seeking Utopia and denying human nature. Sometimes violence IS the only answer.
 
systematic said:
Violence begets violence .... but financial violence is a white collar crime where no one goes to jail
& that is the part that makes me see red .You can slap someone & take $50 & go to jail for years but the financial institutions can do it for millions & get away with it 99% of the time & the 1% of the time they get caught the penalty doesnt fit the crime they'll be lucky to get a suspended sentence. Theres something seriously wrong with the system .

There needs to be an overhaul of the system to reflect the upsurge in white collar crime & start filling the jails with suits instead of blue collar workers .They might think twice before the hit the keyboard to rip somebody off .

It needs to be pro rata imo 1 week per hundred dollars would seem fair so for a $5200 scam you get one year & for those that get caught ripping off hundreds of thousands they would be in there for a looooong time ......Good thing im not the attorney general or prime minister i would rush it through before they knew what hit them. :lol:
 
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