Bad time to sell but... ( advice needed)

anglox_b

anglox_b

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I left oz about 12 years ago, but left the gold I'd bought at the time in the safe of a friend along with some silver which I recently chose to sell, because being a conscientious objector ( health care field), I haven't worked at all this year. The selling silver process was smooth with no issues and the money was transferred to me here in Europe ( spain) where I have settled with no problems. With world events as they are currently, I'm thinking now of how to get my metals into my possession, as not having the jabberwocky, it's unlikely I'll be returning to Oz any time soon. One option ( and the only one I can see) is to sell my Gold in Oz, and re-buy physical over here with the proceeds, while the prices are still relatively low. ( I initially bought in at the 2009 prices). is this a really silly idea, and are there any alternative suggestions? All advice appreciated.
 
anglox_b said:
I left oz about 12 years ago, but left the gold I'd bought at the time in the safe of a friend along with some silver which I recently chose to sell, because being a conscientious objector ( health care field), I haven't worked at all this year. The selling silver process was smooth with no issues and the money was transferred to me here in Europe ( spain) where I have settled with no problems. With world events as they are currently, I'm thinking now of how to get my metals into my possession, as not having the jabberwocky, it's unlikely I'll be returning to Oz any time soon. One option ( and the only one I can see) is to sell my Gold in Oz, and re-buy physical over here with the proceeds, while the prices are still relatively low. ( I initially bought in at the 2009 prices). is this a really silly idea, and are there any alternative suggestions? All advice appreciated.
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Thats the only realistic alternative, as physically shipping the gold is a recipe for disaster re tax and customs.

I would do it slowly over time, not all at once, to reduce Forex and spot movement risk.
 
Another alternative is swapping for crypto, which of course depends upon your views of that asset. Depending on the location of the bullion, you could use a bullion dealer that also offers crypto products (Ainslie Wealth for instance) and swap for BTC or Eth or whatever and have it sent to your own secure wallet. There is also the option of a gold/silver backed token if you wish to retain exposure the the PM market.

@Ian Gillman, I was in the middle of typing when your suggestion was posted. :)
 
I would agree, crypto is your best bet for moving your proceeds. I could possibly help facilitate this if you’re interested, depending on how much metals we’re looking at.
 
Thanks for the responses guys, ideologically Im not a crypto person in any form, and so not comfortable with that option. If I were to sell, in what sort of amounts and at what sort of frequency should I transfer the funds over, that aren't going to raise the attention of the authorities or cause me any problems?
 
hardyakkagold said:
Firstly @anglox_b, I want to say that I sympathize with your plight and predicament, I also congratulate you on your stance against the zombie jab.

I also would not consider the crypto option no matter how sugar-coated or convenient some on here would like to make it appear as.

As to what amounts you should sell that should depend on the financial reporting and notification laws both here and in your country of residence.

I would definitely stay under the $10k limit here and also probably wise to stay under the $5k limit too, just to be on the safe side, so maybe sell in smaller
amounts of a few thousand dollars, as to the frequency that would depend on how much you have to sell and your personal needs.
The slower the better.
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Yeah it's not been easy I can tell you, selling my silver to stay afloat was a bit of a swallow but honestly i'm just glad I had it, and two that I bought when I did, and walking voluntarily out of a job I have done for thirty years is also definitely challenging, but walking the talk means exactly that and I cannot and will not engage with tyranny for a pay check. Thanks for the advice on the amounts, I'm thinking 5k increments as well.
 
Be aware of the fact that cryptos are most likely going to correct soon. Expect this to happen until the end of the winter, probably even until New Year. So, it's not a good idea to risk big buys of any crypto currently.

Re-buying the PM's is the best idea, indeed.
celticgold.eu is a Germany-based company selling silver and gold throughout the EU, so they will ship to Spain as well. They accept crypto and fiat (transfer, they don't accept cards) as well.

They are one of the very few VAT-free silver sellers within the EU, while also having "easy to digest" premiums, when compared to other European dealers.

You probably know that cryptos and PM's tend to move in opposite directions on the markets, so if cryptos crash, then expect PM's to start climbing. This will most likely happen soon, so make sure you pick the best time to buy/sell (make your own calculations) and prevent losing a fortune over a bad move.

Best of luck, all best ;)
 
TreasureHunter said:
Be aware of the fact that cryptos are most likely going to correct soon. Expect this to happen until the end of the winter, probably even until New Year. So, it's not a good idea to risk big buys of any crypto currently.

Re-buying the PM's is the best idea, indeed.
celticgold.eu is a Germany-based company selling silver and gold throughout the EU, so they will ship to Spain as well. They accept crypto and fiat (transfer, they don't accept cards) as well.

They are one of the very few VAT-free silver sellers within the EU, while also having "easy to digest" premiums, when compared to other European dealers.

You probably know that cryptos and PM's tend to move in opposite directions on the markets, so if cryptos crash, then expect PM's to start climbing. This will most likely happen soon, so make sure you pick the best time to buy/sell (make your own calculations) and prevent losing a fortune over a bad move.

Best of luck, all best ;)
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Thankyou!
 
So bit of an update: As the NHS mandates have been announced, there will be no popping back to the UK for work for me anymore, so Ive decided to sell a portion of my gold. I have two options 1. To sell to Ainslie, who frankly have been brilliant even though I am overseas or 2. Sell to the person who has been storing my gold for the last 10 years. The main issue I see is paper trail versus no official papers. The square in me wants to keep everything legit and above board should I ever have to deal with " authorities", or is this just me engaging in wrong think? What are the pros and cons of each? and If i sell to my friend how should I document the transaction? receipts etc?

Thanks for input/advice.
 
anglox_b said:
So bit of an update: As the NHS mandates have been announced, there will be no popping back to the UK for work for me anymore, so Ive decided to sell a portion of my gold. I have two options 1. To sell to Ainslie, who frankly have been brilliant even though I am overseas or 2. Sell to the person who has been storing my gold for the last 10 years. The main issue I see is paper trail versus no official papers. The square in me wants to keep everything legit and above board should I ever have to deal with " authorities", or is this just me engaging in wrong think? What are the pros and cons of each? and If i sell to my friend how should I document the transaction? receipts etc?

Thanks for input/advice.
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If I was in your position I would not consider Ainslie as you will probably receive less than spot for your gold. If your friend is happy to buy it then I would sell it to him. Would your friend be willing and capable to pack and post for you? If he would, you could put some items up here for sale as a few of us have "Wise" (formerly transferwise) or similar accounts and we can transfer Euro or GBP to your account or just straight AUD into an existing AU account. If you can make allowances for buyers transfer fees to you I think you could get some buyers and move your items through this forum. The consideration should be that you bare the transfer fees that may be involved. Attached is a guide of a "Wise" transfer of what you may get. Just an idea, good luck.
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Silverling said:
If I was in your position I would not consider Ainslie as you will probably receive less than spot for your gold. If your friend is happy to buy it then I would sell it to him. Would your friend be willing and capable to pack and post for you? If he would, you could put some items up here for sale as a few of us have "Wise" (formerly transferwise) or similar accounts and we can transfer Euro or GBP to your account or just straight AUD into an existing AU account. If you can make allowances for buyers transfer fees to you I think you could get some buyers and move your items through this forum. The consideration should be that you bare the transfer fees that may be involved. Attached is a guide of a "Wise" transfer of what you may get. Just an idea, good luck.
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Hi thanks for response.I've decided that Im going to sell to my friend. What I need to know is what price do I use on the day??? Any feedback/advice gratefully received.
 
TreasureHunter said:
Be aware of the fact that cryptos are most likely going to correct soon. Expect this to happen until the end of the winter, probably even until New Year. So, it's not a good idea to risk big buys of any crypto currently.

Re-buying the PM's is the best idea, indeed.
celticgold.eu is a Germany-based company selling silver and gold throughout the EU, so they will ship to Spain as well. They accept crypto and fiat (transfer, they don't accept cards) as well.

They are one of the very few VAT-free silver sellers within the EU, while also having "easy to digest" premiums, when compared to other European dealers.

You probably know that cryptos and PM's tend to move in opposite directions on the markets, so if cryptos crash, then expect PM's to start climbing. This will most likely happen soon, so make sure you pick the best time to buy/sell (make your own calculations) and prevent losing a fortune over a bad move.

Best of luck, all best ;)
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Thanks treasurehunter!
 
anglox_b said:
Hi thanks for response.I've decided that Im going to sell to my friend. What I need to know is what price do I use on the day??? Any feedback/advice gratefully received.
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This is only my opinion and you can do whatever you like. I would download the KITCO app on to my phone or just look up KITCO on your PC and check the spot price of gold on the ask side. I would offload to your friend at spot price or if your goods are really sought after collector coins maybe with a small premium on it. The thing is it has to look attractive for him to buy because he might not really want them. If you ask too much over spot he might decline and put it in the too hard basket and say no thanks. If you were to get spot it would still be better than what most bullion shops would give you. If you were to say something like, you can buy them all for spot and I know you most likely would re sell them on silver stackers with some premium on top, I'm pretty sure he would take them, I know I would. Good luck any which way you go.:)
 
anglox_b said:
Thanks treasurehunter!
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Hello - as you can see, the cryptos are still in the middle of a correction. Some people suggest moving into stable coins (which are generally more stable), due to less price fluctuations - not sure exactly how this works, because the stable coins are less wide-spread and there might be several scam coins as well.

I am not a crypto guy, I just read and ask a few things around, so do your own research and talk to a real life crypto exchange. If I were you, I would go straight into a crypto physical office (I believe you are in Spain and in Spain there are several chains, they have real offices).
 
anglox_b said:
Hi thanks for response.I've decided that Im going to sell to my friend. What I need to know is what price do I use on the day??? Any feedback/advice gratefully received.
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May I suggest that you look at Ainslie Bullion or GoldStackers for what they are selling for and go a bit under that
 
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