Automation & Mechinisation + Google's Artificial Intelligence

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TeaPot&ChopSticks

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Been wanting to hear from other people.

I think this is going to suck especially for the poor, middle class and young.

The pentagon now has trucks that drive themselves - Hell why not automated the whole military and do away with everybody. It basically states that this is a desired goal of the US military.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2014/01/driverless/

Thanks to Drudge Report for the link.

Google wants to do driver less taxis.

I heard on ABC News that foreign workers where building the new IGA Warehouse. And where being ripped off regarding basic pay and entitlements. Meanwhile the warehouse (in Sydney) is fully automated.

And together with Google's Artificial Intelligence algorithms kiss goodbye white collar jobs.

This together with the fact central banks destroy the money supply - and Corporate backers want the whole planet to be a free trade zone, resulting in the destruction of the local economy. Ugh.....

I have read the creatures from Jekyll Island.

I have also had a look on peak prosperity and while I do not agree with all his points it is beginning to look that way - the post human economy.

I do not like the future I think I am seeing... Or do I worry to much?

Anyone else given serious thoughts about these potential problems?
 
For better or worse the sci-fi age is coming/here.

I expect Google to big players and really expand into the robotics and AI industry. Robotics for the consumer market is a large and hugely profitable gap/opportunity now and into the future with not much really around other than a Roomba. Expect big things in the next 20 years.

If a taxi can auto drive, then your consumer car should be able to also. In this case, could you go out for a few drinks and let your car auto drive you home? Just like the taxi would.
 
http://www.riotinto.com.au/ENG/aboutus/179_features_1365.asp

http://www.riotinto.com.au/ENG/media/38_media_releases_1743.asp

In my opinion........ if the unions weren't such greedy, belligerent a55holes, they never would have bothered with the programs, but as an employer, I'm sure they simply got sick and tired of being held to ransom by some semi illiterate moron with a mullet and a drinking problem.

The CFMEU and the train drivers union are two of the most militant in the Pilbara.

It amazes me that these fools can demand washed and ironed work clothes, permanent rooms that are better than Perth hotels , seafood a certain number of times per week etc. etc. then whine when the employer decides to replace them with a smart phone?

Goodbye d1ckh3ads. I was in the Pilbara in the late 80's and early 90's during the union wars. If you voted against 'them' they'd come to your caravan and bash you, or you'd have an 'accident' at work! Luckily I worked with a bunch of ex-military blokes at the time, we all ran blocker for each other on site and back in the caravan parks, it was the only way you could survive against their 'tactics'

A pox on them all!
 
This goes hand in hand with the black box being mandated for automobiles. The proposals for an external agency being able to track and control your vehicle are the negative aspects of adopting technology.

A device that would enable police to stop vehicles remotely is being considered by an EU-wide official working group, it has emerged.

The feasibility of such technology is being examined by members of the European Network of Law Enforcement Technology Services (Enlets).

The technology could impact on both road safety and civil liberties.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...te-remote-stopping-device-all-cars-police-use
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But there are amazing positive possibilities for the use of in-vehicle technology to enhance our driving experience, such as being able to auto-pilot your way home safely if drunk or stoned, auto-select maximum speeds to posted speed limits, collision avoidance, auto parking, etc. And with some planning by the road authorities each sign-post could emit an RF signal to enable vehicles to control themselves to the road conditions automatically if desired by the owner.

But we are living in the paradigm of social control rather than freedom, and the control over people gets further removed from the reality of benefiting individual circumstances the further removed and centralised the decision making authority becomes.

Technology is not the issue, but how it is used. Centralised governance simply reduces the personal benefits of the technology as its adoption is mandated for enhancing societal control and raising revenue, rather than improving the individual's quality of life.

The solution, if that is the right term, is to address the problem, which is the growth in centralised control and power over society. So logically, things can only get worse in this regard until there is a trend back to decentralisation.

The issues of centralised control are literally everywhere. But while there is this concept of career politicians who make decisions for others, believe they know what's best and justify their positions by increasing the centralisation of power and authority over individuals, it seems those issues are simply going to compound.
 
TeaPot&ChopSticks said:
I do not like the future I think I am seeing... Or do I worry to much?
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You worry too much.

Technology not only eliminates dreary, labour-intensive jobs, but frees us to pursue more productive activities. Yet futurists continue to predict a society in which the vast majority of people live on the dole, living meaningless, boring, hedonistic or otherwise unproductive lives. The issue is more than just earning a livelihood -- the question is what will we do, once technology assumes all the jobs we once had? The most likely answer is leisure. Just as the 55 hour work weeks that were standard at the turn of the century are now ~37 hours, they can move to become the Futurama 5 hour work weeks.

The Luddite fallacy has been continuously been proven to be just that - a fallacy. I have no reason to suspect it will suddenly be different this time around (particularly with all of the labour intensive baby boomers that will need to be looked after in the future).
 
bordsilver said:
TeaPot&ChopSticks said:
I do not like the future I think I am seeing... Or do I worry to much?
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You worry too much.

Technology not only eliminates dreary, labour-intensive jobs, but frees us to pursue more productive activities. Yet futurists continue to predict a society in which the vast majority of people live on the dole, living meaningless, boring, hedonistic or otherwise unproductive lives. The issue is more than just earning a livelihood -- the question is what will we do, once technology assumes all the jobs we once had? The most likely answer is leisure. Just as the 55 hour work weeks that were standard at the turn of the century are now ~37 hours, they can move to become the Futurama 5 hour work weeks.

The Luddite fallacy has been continuously been proven to be just that - a fallacy. I have no reason to suspect it will suddenly be different this time around (particularly with all of the labour intensive baby boomers that will need to be looked after in the future).
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So how will people pay their bills if they only have leisure time.

In addition there are many people that today still work 45, 50 hour or even longer weeks. It's not universal but it hasn't gone away.

In the low tech 50s and 60s there were jobs aplenty for young people and unemployment was very low. Are things better today? IMO no.

People should be afraid.
 
When I was in high school in the 70's I was told that when I am an adult, advances in technology would mean that I would not have to work as long and would have more leisure time.

Now as a 50 year old, thanks to advances in technology I am able to spend my leisure time on online forums discussing how much shit we were told when we were young. :rolleyes:
 
Maxwell said:
http://www.riotinto.com.au/ENG/aboutus/179_features_1365.asp

http://www.riotinto.com.au/ENG/media/38_media_releases_1743.asp
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I work in the industry and I have to say, Sorry Maxwell, but it's more about productivity than wages. 200 train drivers, even at $160k/year, will take 15 - 20 years to pay off. That's not much return on investment. But if this enables them to run an extra train per day (no down-time to change over drivers, no driver error, less wear on the trains so less maintenance), then that's $365mil/year - paid off in 2 years.
 
mmm....shiney! said:
When I was in high school in the 70's I was told that when I am an adult, advances in technology would mean that I would not have to work as long and would have more leisure time.

Now as a 50 year old, thanks to advances in technology I am able to spend my leisure time on online forums discussing how much shit we were told when we were young. :rolleyes:
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mmm....shiney..Your post ^^^ was the greatest post you have ever posted. :( This was the spin the people were told as the new era of electronic machines were born. How the tide has turned..Now days if you want to get ahead, you work longer with no OT. :)

Regards Errol 43
 
It's true. We were told through the '60s and '70s that automation and computerisation would be all for the greater social good, delivering lots more free time and luxurious lifestyles to the average person.

Likewise with the space race and investments in technology made there, we were schooled into believing that it would be a great social benefit, with bases on the moon, hotels in orbit, rocket ships to Mars ... Lucky if they can rendezvous with the old clunker space station nowadays.

It's all a bit sad and pathetic isn't it? To be sold on the great socialised, collective possibilities in technologies by politicians throughout our youth, only to realise years later what you should always have known if only someone had taken the time to sit down and explain it to you ... you were being lied to. They were lying to fill you with hope that through them and only through them, a fantastic future could be achieved, if you would just group together, work hard and pay your taxes. Hope for a future based on a lie just to get your compliance, support and money for whatever it was they were really about.

Ideas of adventure and unbounded exploration of the solar system and galaxy have been supplanted by the mindlessness of Angry Birds, banality of FaceBook and the fantasies of the next big Movie.

It is pathetic to see these politicians keep rehashing the old Hope and Change message over and over on ever diminishing repeat cycles. They've printed enough money to build an outpost on Pluto and develop an intergalactic battle cruiser but what do we get? Speed cameras and the Stasi on our phones. :lol:

But hey, even though we can't travel to the moon, at least we can watch George Clooney spluttering about in orbit with a fire extinguisher, in a fake set, developed in a CGI tool, up on the big screen with nice hair. We just have to suspend disbelief for an hour or so and we'll feel right as rain. Just like when we believed in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. :)
 
We were promised jet packs as well...

The military are already automated, if they have already outsourced their killing to the unmanned drones then I am not sure what else we need them for.

I remember seeing or reading about a journalist asking an aborigine child what job he would like to have when he grew up and the kid said he didn't want to have a job when he grew up. I think the focus of the article was on how lazy the locals are but the message I took home was, why would anyone want a job when they grow up. Work is dull, if they didn't pay me I wouldn't turn up.
 
Gino said:
It's true. We were told through the '60s and '70s that automation and computerisation would be all for the greater social good, delivering lots more free time and luxurious lifestyles to the average person.

Likewise with the space race and investments in technology made there, we were schooled into believing that it would be a great social benefit, with bases on the moon, hotels in orbit, rocket ships to Mars ... Lucky if they can rendezvous with the old clunker space station nowadays.

It's all a bit sad and pathetic isn't it? To be sold on the great socialised, collective possibilities in technologies by politicians throughout our youth, only to realise years later what you should always have known if only someone had taken the time to sit down and explain it to you ... you were being lied to. They were lying to fill you with hope that through them and only through them, a fantastic future could be achieved, if you would just group together, work hard and pay your taxes. Hope for a future based on a lie just to get your compliance, support and money for whatever it was they were really about.

Ideas of adventure and unbounded exploration of the solar system and galaxy have been supplanted by the mindlessness of Angry Birds, banality of FaceBook and the fantasies of the next big Movie.

It is pathetic to see these politicians keep rehashing the old Hope and Change message over and over on ever diminishing repeat cycles. They've printed enough money to build an outpost on Pluto and develop an intergalactic battle cruiser but what do we get? Speed cameras and the Stasi on our phones. :lol:

But hey, even though we can't travel to the moon, at least we can watch George Clooney spluttering about in orbit with a fire extinguisher, in a fake set, developed in a CGI tool, up on the big screen with nice hair. We just have to suspend disbelief for an hour or so and we'll feel right as rain. Just like when we believed in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. :)
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Awesome post. It also reminds me of something mentioned in a recent documentary - They pointed out that politicians used to campaign based on "Elect us and we will bring you prosperity", now they say "Elect us and we will protect you".
 
Gino said:
It's true. We were told through the '60s and '70s that automation and computerisation would be all for the greater social good, delivering lots more free time and luxurious lifestyles to the average person.

Likewise with the space race and investments in technology made there, we were schooled into believing that it would be a great social benefit, with bases on the moon, hotels in orbit, rocket ships to Mars ... Lucky if they can rendezvous with the old clunker space station nowadays.

It's all a bit sad and pathetic isn't it? To be sold on the great socialised, collective possibilities in technologies by politicians throughout our youth, only to realise years later what you should always have known if only someone had taken the time to sit down and explain it to you ... you were being lied to. They were lying to fill you with hope that through them and only through them, a fantastic future could be achieved, if you would just group together, work hard and pay your taxes. Hope for a future based on a lie just to get your compliance, support and money for whatever it was they were really about.

Ideas of adventure and unbounded exploration of the solar system and galaxy have been supplanted by the mindlessness of Angry Birds, banality of FaceBook and the fantasies of the next big Movie.

It is pathetic to see these politicians keep rehashing the old Hope and Change message over and over on ever diminishing repeat cycles. They've printed enough money to build an outpost on Pluto and develop an intergalactic battle cruiser but what do we get? Speed cameras and the Stasi on our phones. :lol:

But hey, even though we can't travel to the moon, at least we can watch George Clooney spluttering about in orbit with a fire extinguisher, in a fake set, developed in a CGI tool, up on the big screen with nice hair. We just have to suspend disbelief for an hour or so and we'll feel right as rain. Just like when we believed in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. :)
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Brilliant post Gino!

I feel exactly the same. IT for the most part is just a big con pushed by multinational behemoths that nowadays control everyone.
 
Taxi drivers and supermarket checkout chicks will be superceded like the typewriter operators and coach turners of the past. New roles will be invented, through necessity, to fill the roles we can't currently anticipate.

Look how many staff there are in an Apple store, the human face is required to sell completely dehumanised items.
 
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