Australia on world's worst debt trajectory

millededge said:
we are now on the path the socialists wanted...
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The present government could change direction and cut wasteful spending. Our path is determined by political expediency and global economic conditions.
 
The USA is at least 19 trillion dollars in debt, the big 4 banks are making record profits for their biggest shareholders (that are American banks) ... the Australian dollar is trading at 77cents US ... and our somehow our deficit is a problem ....
 
systematic said:
... and our somehow our deficit is a problem ....
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The deficit isn't the problem. The problem is private debt.

The deficit could become a problem if/when banks require a bail-out.
 
willrocks said:
systematic said:
... and our somehow our deficit is a problem ....
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The deficit isn't the problem. The problem is private debt.

The deficit could become a problem if/when banks require a bail-out.
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All government debt is a problem, just because ours' pales into insignificance against the magnitude of other nations is not the point.

Deficits and surpluses are funded by usurping the property of individuals.
 
Naphthalene Man said:
Didn't we have a nice surplus but then Rudd and co spent it on insulation etc?
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Folk quickly forget how Peter Costello and the RBA lost billions of dollars.

The decision sent prices tumbling to $US315/oz as then-Federal treasurer Peter Costello argued that gold no longer played a significant role in the international financial system.
http://destructionofmoney.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/gold-sell-off-proves-to-be-expensive.html

Who could forget! :(

10 January 2009

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RetardedMonkey said:
willrocks said:
Do you think they won't cut rates next time?
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They should just drop it by 75 points and be done with it. Kick Sydney's afterburners on and watch property explode.
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Meanwhile the AUD will implode.
 
Here's an interesting reading via The Guardian:

According to the International Monetary Fund, the Howard/Costello government was the most profligate in Australia for the last 50 years. Indeed, while the mining boom was gathering pace they cut taxes so far and so fast that they forced the Reserve Bank of Australia to rapidly increase interest rates.

While countries like Norway took the benefits of resource price booms and banked them in their sovereign wealth fund, Peter Costello chose to cut taxes for the wealthy instead. He knew at the time that his populist generosity to the highest income earners would force future treasurers to choose between budget deficits or cutting spending on the sick, the poor and elderly. No prizes for guessing which our former treasurer prefers.

The only thing Costello hates more than budget deficits is collecting the revenue needed to fix them. Just as his government did nothing about the long-term challenge of climate change, his government did nothing to set up Australia's long-term public finances.

On Tuesday, Costello wrote an op-ed in which he bells the cat on who he thinks should pay less tax. His idea of a fairer tax system means "lowering the reach or rate of top marginal income tax rates".

For the record, here are five of Costello's most "profligate" and inequitable decisions, which created the structural deficit inherited by his successors:

1. Permanent income tax cuts during the boom. Worth $37.6bn or $26.4bn if you exclude bracket creep in 2011-12

During the first phase of the mining boom the federal government's coffers were being filled with a temporary windfall gain. Costello made the decision to use this temporary windfall gain to cut income tax, mainly to high income earners. From 2005 to 2012 these tax cuts cost the budget bottom line $170bn. In 2012 they were costing the budget $37.6bn per year. Even accounting for bracket creep, the tax cuts would cost the budget $26.4bn in 2011-12. They would be worth more today. 42% of these cuts flowed to the top 10% of income earners while 80% of income earners got only 38%.

2. Capital gains tax discount. Worth $5.8bn in 2014-15

In 1999 Costello introduced the capital gains tax discount. Capital gains tax applies when someone sells an asset for more than they bought it for. This includes things like shares or investment housing. The capital gains tax discount means that for assets owned for more than 12 months only half the capital gain will be taxed. According to the Treasury this is worth $5.8bn per year.

3. Got rid of fuel excise indexation. Worth $5.5bn in 2013-14

In 2001 Costello removed the fuel excise indexation. Fuel excise indexation meant that the tax rate on petroleum fuel kept up with inflation. Its removal from the budget is estimated to be costing the budget $5.5bn in 2013-14.

4. Superannuation tax cuts. Worth $2.5bn in 2009-10

In 2007 Costello reduced taxation on income earned from superannuation to zero for Australians over the age of 60. At the same time he removed the superannuation surcharge.

The superannuation surcharge acknowledged that the benefit of superannuation tax concessions flowed mainly to high income earners. It meant that those on high incomes paid a higher concessional tax rate on their super contributions and earnings. Costello abolished it in 2005 which meant that high income earners paid a flat 15% tax rate on all superannuation contributions and earnings.

At the time these super changes were estimated to cost the budget $2.6bn per year by 2009-10. With the rapid growth in superannuation tax concessions (they are currently growing at about 12%) they would be worth much more today.

5. The decision to convert "franking credits" into cash refunds for shareholders

When companies pay dividends to Australian shareholders out of after-tax profit, shareholders also receive franking credits which are a credit against their own tax obligation and based on the tax paid by the company. This system, known as "dividend imputation" is unusual and only four other countries in the world use it.

However, in 2000, Costello made the system even more generous to shareholders by allowing them to get a cash refund if they receive more in franking credits than they actually owe in tax. Because income from superannuation is tax free for people over 60, high income retirees can use franking credits to get a cash gift of over 40 cents for every dollar they receive in dividends.

The ATO estimates that Costello's decision to allow "excess" franking credits to be refunded as cash cost $4.6bn in 2012-13.

These five changes are worth $56bn per annum. This is likely to be a very conservative estimate since some of these costs were for earlier years. The total is likely to be much more.

Putting this into context, the budget deficit last year was $40.4bn. The budget conversation would have been very different if these irresponsible and inequitable changes had not been put through by Costello.

The reason we have a budget deficit today is in no small part due to the efforts of Costello. It is interesting that he is now calling on the government to cut spending to pay for the irresponsible tax cuts that he made that mostly benefited the rich.

A growing number of organisations including The Australia Institute are making suggestions on how the government might repair the budget by making changes that would allow more revenue to be raised. Of course, Costello dismisses these suggestions and describes them as coming from "lefties". Presumably he thinks the IMF is a front for global socialism as well.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...surer-cost-the-budget-56bn-a-year?CMP=soc_567
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Shortlisted for the stupidest Guardian article of the year (and that's against some stiff competition).
 
Holdfast said:
Naphthalene Man said:
Didn't we have a nice surplus but then Rudd and co spent it on insulation etc?
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Folk quickly forget how Peter Costello and the RBA lost billions of dollars.

The decision sent prices tumbling to $US315/oz as then-Federal treasurer Peter Costello argued that gold no longer played a significant role in the international financial system.
http://destructionofmoney.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/gold-sell-off-proves-to-be-expensive.html

Who could forget! :(

10 January 2009

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The point was not about what Costello did or didn't do re gold but the fact that we had a surplus in the sov wealth fund before Rudd gave it away.
 
When a company trades when insolvent, management is subject to civil penalties, criminal prosecution and creditor compensation.
When a government does it, management blames someone else and seeks to penalise the productive citizen it supposedly represents.
 
They are all as useless or clueless as each other. Thinking different muppets will produce different outcomes is wishful thinking IMO.
 
Phiber said:
They are all as useless or clueless as each other. Thinking different muppets will produce different outcomes is wishful thinking IMO.
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Yeah, these lib vs labor arguments are ridiculous. The Libs won't get the government into surplus in the next ten years. They are fast becoming as useless as the last labor government was. Whatever happened to the "debt and deficit disaster"? Conveniently forgotten now.
 
Phiber said:
They are all as useless or clueless as each other. Thinking different muppets will produce different outcomes is wishful thinking IMO.
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They maintain division in the community. This suits certain agendas.
 
The down turn is surely coming.

W.A is sufferering very badly from the new iron ore prices and is basically already in recession.

Next month the RBA will most likely lower interest rates and keep them low for at least 12 months to try and boost the economy which may also cause another boost to RE market.

More people will take on even bigger mortgages to try and stay in the RE game before thinking its too late.

Then 3 major car brands will be closing down making thousands redundent.

The next 1-3 years ar'nt looking good.

I'm going to sit on the side and wait and watch this slow trainwreck happen right before us. :o
 
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