Arhh Red Light.....Driving Fines/Demerit Points

One thing I do find quite handy over here in Thailand is the timers they attach onto the lights (see below)

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Source: Google

It lets you know exactly how long you have left before the red, and then when the light is red it lets you know how long till the green.
 
Ahh just like the drag strip. As the timer approaches for the start of the green they rev their engines....
green she goes....
AND THEY ARE OFF!!!!!
 
Naphthalene Man said:
Ahh just like the drag strip. As the timer approaches for the start of the green they rev their engines....
green she goes....
AND THEY ARE OFF!!!!!

Exactly what happens! hahah

I am guilty of setting off with one or two seconds till the green light when I am on the motorbike... luckily there are no red light cameras :P
 
Thailand is awesome! Gotta go back one day.

For a place that has such little rules, it's quite safe place overall. Feels safer than Adelaide.

(apart from the odd kidnapping of course)
 
boston said:

That was interesting. I'd never even thought about that before.

Is it true that you can tell them the court date doesn't suit you and just keep on delaying? That wouldn't result in contempt of court or they wouldn't issue you with an ultimatum or maybe not re-issue your license if it had expired until you had gone to court, would it?

It's fine to say if enough people do it, it will break the system, which I'm sure is true, but if I had enough people I could break the taxation system, so I don't see that aspect as being relevant.

If it doesn't work on an individual level I don't see the point, but it does sound interesting to me.

EDIT: as an aside my parents got a speeding ticket once and they gave my uncle's name and address, who had been visiting and was driving the car at the time. His name and address in the UK that was. They never heard anything about it again.
 
If enough people chose to go to court over traffic fines and stalled the system the government would simply legislate that it is no longer allowable to take a ticket to court. Justice and civil rights are an outdated concept in Australia this century.
 
hawkeye said:
Is it true that you can tell them the court date doesn't suit you and just keep on delaying? That wouldn't result in contempt of court or they wouldn't issue you with an ultimatum or maybe not re-issue your license if it had expired until you had gone to court, would it?

No idea. However, I should think that you could delay it once or twice, and get away with it. Perhaps a doctor's certificate may string it out a bit longer, and still give you an alibi? :)
 
Clawhammer said:


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From the Victorian Bicycle Network come news of their latest police blitz. I found the following numbers of particular interest:
Bicycle Offences - 178
Fail to wear helmet - 113
Ride on footpath - 24
Disobey traffic lights or signs - 25

So if you remove the "not wearing a helmet" and "riding on the footpath" crimes, it leaves a paltry 25 offences for cyclists. Interesting compared with the other vehicular groups.

Not a day goes by where I don't see a motorist driving whilst on the phone. It's equivalent to driving whilst intoxicated. Even if cyclists were blasting through intersections they come off second best every single time.
 
Dogmatix said:
As for fines, I recall Sweden has means tested fines - so the fine increases based on income.

I'd say a $500 fine would hurt a pensioner a lot, but probably not some young fella who works in the mines.

Given that, lets be honest, most traffic offences are just revenue raising, isn't means tested fines the same as different income tax brackets?
 
Good luck Dex. I read that someone went through a read light to let an ambulance through but apparently that wasnt good enough.

It seems there is NO excuse good enough for going through a red light.

It kind of begs the question what would you do in that situation?

Would you let the ambulance through and risk losing your license and job, or stay put? Not a position I hope to ever be in.
 
Ernster said:
Good luck Dex. I read that someone went through a read light to let an ambulance through but apparently that wasnt good enough.

It seems there is NO excuse good enough for going through a red light.

It kind of begs the question what would you do in that situation?

Would you let the ambulance through and risk losing your license and job, or stay put? Not a position I hope to ever be in.

Did they take it to court, or just ask for an internal review of the ticket? If you ask for an internal review, the reviewer has no discretionary power at all and you will just get a form letter advising your to pay up or take it to court.

I don't know anyone who has not been fined for traffic "offences" here in police state Victoria.

How much are we paying in fines?
The amount of revenue collected from traffic fines is not always clearly discernible from other non-traffic statutory and court fines in State/Territory budgets. In NSW, $339 million in revenue was collected from fines during 2011-12iv. In Queensland, the government is expecting to raise $300 million in revenue from fines and forfeitures in 2011-2012v. In Victoria, it was revealed that road safety camera fines, police on-the-spot fines and toll road evasion fines generated $256.9 million, $125.7 million and $109.7 million in revenue respectively, in 2011-12vi.

Although a breakdown of fine revenues by offence are harder to come by, specific information for speeding and red light offences is more readily available. Speeding fines are awarded for driving at a speed that exceeds the speed limit for that roadvii, and drivers are punished for failing to stop at a traffic light showing redviii.

In New South Wales (NSW) between July 2011 and June 2012, $89 million in revenue was raised from fixed-camera-captured speed and red light traffic offences aloneix. During FY2010/11, the Victorian government received nearly $250 million dollars ($249,716,864) in revenue from fixed and mobile speed and red light camerasx. Western Australians also felt the impact of mobile and fixed camera fines, and in 2011, paid $105.28 millionxi in fines - for approximately 800,000 speeding fines and over 16,000 red-light finesxi. This is an increase of $33.7 million since 2010xi.

Fines to increase
Traffic fines in NSW are set to increase by 12.5 per cent from the 1st of July 2012xii. The fine increase is expected to raise annual revenue by $45 millionxiii. The NSW Government also expects revenue growth over the coming four years from increasing vehicle numbers and previously announced enforcement measures, including additional mobile speed camerasxiii.

The Victorian budget reveals something similar, with an increase in fines revenue contributed to by a 12.5 per cent increase in the value of penalty units, implementation of new road safety initiatives and CPI indexationxiv. The Victorian Government anticipates revenue to increase in the coming year for road safety camera, police on-the-spot, and toll road evasion fines. Fines from road safety camera fines are expected to increase by $49 million, from $256.9 million in 2011-12 to $305.9 million in 2012-13xiv. Police on-the-spot and toll road evasion fines are expected to increase by $33.8 million and $15.8 million respectively, in 2012-13xiv.

Meanwhile, the South Australian police also expect to collect $101 million in the FY2011/12 based on higher fine values (introduced on July 1, 2011), the set-up of more fixed traffic cameras targeting red light and speed offences, and indexation

Source: http://www.allianz.com.au/car-insurance/driving-offences-revenue-assessed

But if we're safer with a 12.5% increase, surely we would be twice as safe with a 25% increase and 8 times as safe with a 100% increase in the cost of fines. :lol: Yes, they're good fines and you should all be very careful on the road, because they don't want anyone getting hurt. Certainly they don't need the money and are not using the system of fines and penalties to raise revenues. :lol:
 
spannermonkey said:
renovator said:
I hate speed & red light cameras useless good for nothing revenue raising devices

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Victoria now has paramilitary-esque highway police who use camouflage netting, camo clothing, optical equipment and covert radar to identify rule-breakers and despatch regular officers to pull them over.

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Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...pring-speed-trap/story-fnat79vb-1226574886387

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Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...pring-speed-trap/story-fnat79vb-1226574886387
 
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