Am I the only one here that LOVES the Canadian Maple?

is there a reason why maples are 5 bucks CAD face value while other 1 oz legal tender coins are only $1? - makes me wonder
 
To give an update on my case / my experience, a week ago the 50 maple leaf 2014's that I ordered arrived (2 tubes). In one tube, that contained a few styrofoam flakes to fill the empty space (probably inserted by the dealer), the upper maple had a few tiny (3 mm?) milk spots.
So it doesn't look like the new 2014 design changed anything to the milk spot proneness. They do look nice, but I already regret it a tad, since the cleaning can now only be done the chemical way. A cloth won't help on that relief that is all over the coins surface.
 
I tend to pick up 1 or 2 of various RCM stuff. Both for diversification & collector variety.

Then again, I'm not much of a "stacker," per se.


I like what they did with the radial lines in 2014. Gives it a more visually-appealing "oomph!"
 
Gatito Bandito said:
I tend to pick up 1 or 2 of various RCM stuff. Both for diversification & collector variety.

Then again, I'm not much of a "stacker," per se.


I like what they did with the radial lines in 2014. Gives it a more visually-appealing "oomph!"
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It was a good idea. If you look at a leaf closely, it also has such pattern (cells) so the idea improved the coins existing design. It's also why I reconsidered purchasing them. But that milk spot proneness, well it's a pain in the ***. It renders any design ugly. It's fixable, for a time, but the involved hassle and risk (due to handling and chemical stuff) is something that one has to take into account, since we buy silver to later on sell it, and people don't like ugly coins. One can only minimalize the hassle by keeping tubes closed, and buy some lose ones in case you wanna take a peek now and then. I should have ordered a couple extra. Maybe at a next purchase.
 
I've seen a decisive majority of posts on here about the poor quality of these Maples. I took a punt and got three and one had a milk spot. As a side issue, is it inevitable that the Canadian mint bird/animal series will come with similar odds on quality?
 
I really like the Maples minted before 2004. After that, the obverse is not too attractive in my opinion. The older ones don't seem to milk spot nearly as much from what I have seen either.

Jim
 
PeterS said:
I've seen a decisive majority of posts on here about the poor quality of these Maples. I took a punt and got three and one had a milk spot. As a side issue, is it inevitable that the Canadian mint bird/animal series will come with similar odds on quality?
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You take your chances with ALL RCM products. I have bird/animal ones some have milk spots some don't. I don't understand how the RCM can get away with this and I have NO RCM products in my personal collection
 
anonmiss said:
PeterS said:
I've seen a decisive majority of posts on here about the poor quality of these Maples. I took a punt and got three and one had a milk spot. As a side issue, is it inevitable that the Canadian mint bird/animal series will come with similar odds on quality?
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You take your chances with ALL RCM products. I have bird/animal ones some have milk spots some don't. I don't understand how the RCM can get away with this and I have NO RCM products in my personal collection
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We've been over this a million times

NO RCM NUMISMATIC PRODUCTS HAVE MILK SPOTS
 
Justfishin said:
anonmiss said:
PeterS said:
I've seen a decisive majority of posts on here about the poor quality of these Maples. I took a punt and got three and one had a milk spot. As a side issue, is it inevitable that the Canadian mint bird/animal series will come with similar odds on quality?
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You take your chances with ALL RCM products. I have bird/animal ones some have milk spots some don't. I don't understand how the RCM can get away with this and I have NO RCM products in my personal collection
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We've been over this a million times

NO RCM NUMISMATIC PRODUCTS HAVE MILK SPOTS
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Sorry I'm having a rough day typos in sales threads and now I seam to have my numis mixed up with my bullion.
I was sure that the two milk spotted RCM coins for the Montreal Olympic games featuring the temas hocky players that I saw on Sunday night were numismatics and not bullion.
If the winner of the auction could set me straight that would be appreciated. :)

AND TO STICK TO THE VEIN OF SHOUTING THE ORIGINAL POST THAT I WAS RESPONDING TOO ASKED ABOUT BIRD/ANIMAL COINS AND I"M LOOKING AT MILK SPOTTED ONES RIGHT NOW! Now I have a headached can we please kep it down. :(
 
I hate milk spots too!



According to a 2007 statement from PCGS, the company was once "reluctant to grade any Silver Eagles MS-70 because of the significant possibility of future milk-spotting on the surfaces of the metal, which often seem to appear after the coins are minted and even after they have been graded."[1] That year, PCGS began grading American Silver Eagles from 2006 and 2007 based on the condition of the coins at the time they were graded, without regard for the potential of future milk spotting.

As for awarding a coin the prestigious MS-70, PCGS asserts the standard remains "flawless surfaces under 5x magnification."

Miguel Murillo, a customer service representative at PCGS, further outlines the company's policy today.

"We're doing what we call a modern spot review," he told me over the phone. "For a fee of $5, plus shipping and handling, we will evaluate your coin, remove the spots, and then return your piece."

He says the service is applicable to all American Silver Eagles dating back to 1986. The policy does not apply to older coins, which he said would be treated as restorations and are handled on a different fee structure.

As PCGS points out, milk spots indeed trace their origin back to manufacturing issues at the U.S. Mint. As much was affirmed by U.S. Mint Quality Division Chief Stacy Kelley-Scherer, who, in 2012, remarked that the white spots on American Silver Eagles are attributed to minting procedures. Unfortunately, Kelly-Scherer went on the record as saying that the U.S. Mint has not been able to find a panacea for preventing milk spots.





Milk spots appear on bullion, proof, and uncirculated Silver Eagles from all minting facilities, and may appear as a single spot or in large, blotchy patches across fields and devices. They're even turning up on U.S. silver commemoratives and other modern coins.

And these troubling white spots aren't just a U.S. coin phenomenonthey're running amok on modern silver coins from Canada, China and Australia.

The Royal Canadian Mint (RCM) owes the milk spots on its coins to the planchet cleaning and preparation process. They're taking a more laissez-faire approach, however. The RCM says their one-ounce silver bullion maple leaf coins are just that bullion coins intended for metals investors, not collectors. The powers that be at the Mint in the Great White North also state that the problem has persisted on their silver bullion coins since Maple Leaf silver coins first debuted in 1988.
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Despite the presence of milk spots, this conditionally rare 1999 Silver Eagle sold for more than $20,000.
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http://www.coinweek.com/education/c...s-crying-milk-spotted-american-silver-eagles/
 
Thanks for the feedback! The comment about the mint saying they are intended for metals investors not collectors is particularly telling for me. It would follow they would say that any increase in value due to 'collectability' is nothing to do with them or their intentions. If I decide to get any more I'm thinking it would only be for spot + a modest premium for whatever year and always remember it is an ounce of silver and no more. Not for the first time I find myself saying I went into this to stack silver, NOT become a coin collector and thinking of trains going off rails............!!!
 
This guy found the cure for milk spots.... :lol: need to watch the whole video though to find out.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIl3fhKgmno[/youtube]
 
With a revived milkspot subject, there was a Perth Mint case, in which was said that the problem would be examined by metallurgists or so, anything regarding cause found so far?
My thought so far was/is that silver purity 9999 maple versus 999 others, something that differentiates maples from other regular bullion, could explain this equal-differentiation of milkspot vulnerability.
A related question, does any1 bother about that 9999 versus 999? I don't. If most people don't, one may wonder why RCM bothered enough to go for that extra 9. In my EU region maples were in 2011 priced mid-ase-philharmoniker. In subsequent years upto present day they gradually moved to the lowest priced one, or at least a shared lowest, with dealers creating lotsa special offers for them, even for latest year ones, so likely no customer sold backs
 
Northerncoins said:
This guy found the cure for milk spots.... :lol: need to watch the whole video though to find out.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIl3fhKgmno[/youtube]
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Every time I see smbdy touching silver coins or rounds with hands it makes me a little bit angry.
 
Stark said:
Every time I see smbdy touching silver coins or rounds with hands it makes me a little bit angry.
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I think he did a video, or has at least mentioned a few times, in which he explains how he believes gloves do more harm than clean bare hands.

He's been stacking / collecting for a long time (since the '80s?), but that still doesn't persuade me.


Nitrile or bust!
 
barsenault said:
Trust us, we know. It will not. I don't care how well you store them. It makes no difference, IMHO. I know some will disagree with me. But in time they will develop spots. Stay away!!!
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Yes, I agree it has very little to do how well to store them, some will develop milky spots, but NOT ALL of them.

My Canadian Wildlife (I may have 30-40), about 10-15 of them have milky spots so far. I doubt every single of them will eventually develop milky spots:lol:
 
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