Abbott's little time bomb

This is an amusing discussion ongoing, in relation to the sense of property. Whilst I agree that controls need to be in place to ensure that people who are a genuine risk to the well being of current inhabitants is important, the truth is that we often rarely acknowledge and show genuine respect to each other already. IMO you would experience more happiness FullMetalFever if instead of trying to see the differences, you looked for the similarities. Everything that current industrial society has built will decay and be nothing but waste one day, I for one would rather leave less waste and live a life of peace and unity with all other inhabitants on this planet, content in knowing that when I die, those who come after me have the chance to do the same. Have you ever asked yourself why you think what you do? because it's your perspective i'm sure, natural from someone in your position, what if your position changed?
Video below offers a Rap News View..
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Old Codger said:
"The Australian Labor Party is a democratic
socialist party and has the objective of the
democratic socialisation of industry, production,
distribution and exchange"
(ALP CONSTITUTION)



I doubt that many ALP voters even know this exists.
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Comrade Old Coger; the Liberal party still represent their "liberal" ideals do they?
 
aleks said:
Old Codger said:
"The Australian Labor Party is a democratic
socialist party and has the objective of the
democratic socialisation of industry, production,
distribution and exchange"
(ALP CONSTITUTION)

I doubt that many ALP voters even know this exists.
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Comrade Old Coger; the Liberal party still represent their "liberal" ideals do they?
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Given the liberal for Liberal Party is the in the classical sense of economic liberalism, then probably. Not perfectly, of course. Which means privatisations and divestment from government in the economy - it's up to the free market to develop. Not perfectly but that sounds like them.
 
AngloSaxon said:
Big A.D. said:
AngloSaxon said:
They are threats to our security however ASIO can't bring their evidence to court as no one involved in the court case has the security clearance to view the evidence. And the evidence can never be published. So they are forced to let genuinely bad, bad eggs in. They say it's all about their human rights but what about my human rights? Is there a right to not have ones' country infiltrated by unrepentant killers?
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What makes you think you'd have any rights at all if people can be imprisoned without charge for an indefinite length of time on the basis of evidence that's so secret nobody is allowed to see it?
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Because it's my country and not theirs. Simple but compelling argument IMO.
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Thankyou sir, you made my day :lol:
 
AngloSaxon said:
aleks said:
Old Codger said:
"The Australian Labor Party is a democratic
socialist party and has the objective of the
democratic socialisation of industry, production,
distribution and exchange"
(ALP CONSTITUTION)

I doubt that many ALP voters even know this exists.
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Comrade Old Coger; the Liberal party still represent their "liberal" ideals do they?
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Given the liberal for Liberal Party is the in the classical sense of economic liberalism, then probably. Not perfectly, of course. Which means privatisations and divestment from government in the economy - it's up to the free market to develop. Not perfectly but that sounds like them.
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They are conservative
 
^ In their economic policies (liberalism) or their social policies (social conservatism)?

I note you are writing from the US where the term 'liberal' has come to be divorced from the economic policies of classical liberalism, and 'liberals' is the collective name for social democrats and then through the left wing of the socialist movement to marxists. Quite removed from the Liberals of the Victorian era eg. Gladstone
 
My point, is that they are self titled conservatives, the only freedom they talk about is in economic context. Or at-least their policies reflect this, economic freedom does not equal freedom something which you might find hard to understand.
 
Economic freedom, politically, is what liberalism has always been about. At least as far as in my reading of the historical context. That context influences the situation today. Liberalism is not a social policy position. It's always been an economic policy position.

economic freedom does not equal freedom
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I disagree. But we may be approaching the subject from different ways of thinking. If you're going where I suspect you may eventually go, I'll just say that taking drugs has nothing to do with freedom as it's a self destructive behaviour. I say that straight away as thats where discussions of libertarianism usually ultimately end up - drugs.

If you weren't going there, sorry for misunderstanding.
 
Fast forward to today
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1jfyl296zk[/youtube]

Tony Abbott talking about the future of the Liberal Party (the first two minutes is all you need to watch)
 
pppp said:
This is an amusing discussion ongoing, in relation to the sense of property. Whilst I agree that controls need to be in place to ensure that people who are a genuine risk to the well being of current inhabitants is important, the truth is that we often rarely acknowledge and show genuine respect to each other already. IMO you would experience more happiness FullMetalFever if instead of trying to see the differences, you looked for the similarities. Everything that current industrial society has built will decay and be nothing but waste one day, I for one would rather leave less waste and live a life of peace and unity with all other inhabitants on this planet, content in knowing that when I die, those who come after me have the chance to do the same. Have you ever asked yourself why you think what you do? because it's your perspective i'm sure, natural from someone in your position, what if your position changed?
Video below offers a Rap News View..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRhBRg-XkWY
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Not sure what you mean by me trying to see the differences, I was merely musing at the similarities of others not wanting refugees coming to the country as it would be detrimental to its current inhabitants, when the current inhabitants came to this country to the detriment of its then current / (Ab) original inhabitants.

Don't much care for the accomplishments of having built something that will decay or otherwise and I'm already living at peace and unity with anybody else that wants the same. Currently I'm travelling around Australia (not a grey nomad) and meeting new people from all walks of life, different countries and backgrounds everyday - I love it!!! The only waste I leave is in the longdrop or odd caravan park dunny and whenever possible I catch what I eat.

It may sound like a contradiction to my first statement, however as said I was musing ...... but, I do fear for the future of Australian society, not so much because I think the people coming here are dangerous but more so because of the politically correct bullshit - in that we allow others coming to this country to impose their views, morals and religious ethics upon us, to the point where we feel we can't even uphold our own traditions out of fear of being labeled "racist" or "prejudiced". But .... that's why I'll tuck myself away on some acres, enjoy my life, the company of friends, living off the land and just generally ignore all the other bullshit happening around me.

Back on topic .... good luck to Tony in trying to convince the Labour voters - most of them don't even know why they vote Labour, just that its what bluecollars do.
 
FullMetalFever said:
It may sound like a contradiction to my first statement, however as said I was musing ...... but, I do fear for the future of Australian society, not so much because I think the people coming here are dangerous but more so because of the politically correct bullshit - in that we allow others coming to this country to impose their views, morals and religious ethics upon us, to the point where we feel we can't even uphold our own traditions out of fear of being labeled "racist" or "prejudiced". But .... that's why I'll tuck myself away on some acres, enjoy my life, the company of friends, living off the land and just generally ignore all the other bullshit happening around me.
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You have to ask the question why can any views morals or religious ethics be imposed on people? It's real simple for me, I go by the non-aggression principle. If someone's morals go against that then they are wrong, it's as simple as that. Whether it is their tradition, religion or whatever...

Of course we have the problem that Australia has never fully realised this principle and is going even further in the opposite direction at the moment.

It's not unique in that regard. No country, not even the lauded US constitutional system has ever treated all people as equals. They all have bad traditions. Australia is no exception. It may have been better at some point in the past, but I don't think you have to go too far back in it's history to find all kinds of abuses sanctioned by the "authorities" of the time.
 
AngloSaxon said:
bordsilver said:
^ Wasn't he an englishman?
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Nigerian immigrant and convert to islam. Participant in Anjem Choudary's frequent jihad rallies.
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British born to Nigerian parents and devoted Christian until converting to Islam.
 
Big A.D. said:
AngloSaxon said:
bordsilver said:
^ Wasn't he an englishman?
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Nigerian immigrant and convert to islam. Participant in Anjem Choudary's frequent jihad rallies.
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British born to Nigerian parents and devoted Christian until converting to Islam.
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Adebolajo is 28, is he not? Arrived in UK at age 10 from what I can tell, and converted 10 years ago. So they were 'devoted Christian' until about age 18. How devoted to anything is the average teenager?

Just reading reports of this again to sort out the spin and this is what is reported:
28-year-old Islamist protestor who came from a devout Christian Nigerian family and converted to Islam
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according to the anti-Christian BBC. Doesn't say he was a devoted Christian.

Excuse this cheap MSM link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/20...erges-showing-london-suspects-charging-police

The 2nd terrorist is 22 and also from Nigeria.
 
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