a terribly disturbing example of how greed doesn't care about humans

Black_Sun

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Sorry if you find this disturbing folks. I do. But considering who SS people are, I think you need to know. The thalidomide scandal is even worse than you or I thought that it possibly could be. Who would have thought that scum could be so callous? Apparently, the drug makers already knew that the drug damaged foetuses before they even started selling it. Obviously, the money was much too important to the human trash who ran this company. Undoubtedly this type of coverup still goes on today; eg. GM foods. Do we know what the effect on great-great-grandchildren will be if all their forebears ate GM foods? No we don't, but who cares, its *perfectly safe* folks, now eat up! Your debating about the safety of my GM product is affecting my profits, and that is something I will NOT accept.

Secret files expose thalidomide cover-up

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/secret-files-expose-thalidomide-cover-up-4987533

The company behind a drug that disfigured thousands of newborn babies worldwide ignored and covered up warnings about its damaging effects, a report says.

New Zealand babies were among those harmed by the German-made sedative and morning sickness treatment thalidomide.

Never-before-published excerpts of files from thalidomide maker Grunenthal obtained by Fairfax explicitly warn about the drug's potential to harm foetuses, Fairfax says.

The company has always maintained the thalidomide tragedy was unforeseeable and it had acted in accordance with the scientific knowledge and prevailing standards of the 1950s.

Fairfax says the Grunenthal files expose a 50-year cover-up.

The effects of taking thalidomide during pregnancy included newborns with severe physical deformities.

The Grunenthal files reveal German medical professionals had been telling the pharmaceutical giant of their concerns about the link between thalidomide and children's deformities for up to two years before the drug was banned in 1961.

One company file shows eight Grunenthal employees or their family members had deformed children between 1959 and 1961.

The company told doctors there was no information suggesting the drug was unsafe, Fairfax says.

Last week, a Melbourne woman won her battle for compensation after being born limbless as a result of morning sickness medication her mother took more than 50 years ago.

Kiwi thalidomide survivor Barry De Geest said the victory was fantastic news for those living with the effects of the drugs who have never received compensation.

De Geest was one of ten children born in the 1950s and 1960s living affected by the drug.

He hopes more survivors will join him in his collective fight to sue German manufacturer Grunenthal which manufactured the drug.

However, Grunenthal continues to deny any culpability as it fights a compensation claim lodged by 130 thalidomide victims in New Zealand and Australia.
 
I can not back this up, but on Sunday or 60 Minutes they showed the connection between Grunenthal and the Nazi SS apparently key head people in the SS were senior execs in Grunenthal. They poked at the connection between Auschwitz and other camps and the actual testing of thalidomide then. They also touched on the SS people were already so desensitized to normal practices and humanity that even knowing the consequences did not seem such a big problem.

Terrible stuff.
 
Was on 60 Minutes last Sunday. The whole thing is just terrible.

It gets worse .... the people running Grunenthal right after WW2 were Nazis.

I am not making this up. http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/stories/8502005/bitter-pill

ALLISON LANGDON: Dr Martin Johnson runs the British Thalidomide Trust.

<snip>

ALLISON LANGDON: There is nothing worse you can say about a modern German company than what our evidence points to - a firm that offered safe haven and prosperity to some of the Nazis' worst war criminals. More chilling still to consider is the direct link between Grnenthal here in Aachen - and a place so terrible it almost defies belief - Auschwitz extermination camp. Our evidence suggests Thalidomide was invented here as an antidote to nerve gas, and probably tested on prisoners in this laboratory of human suffering.

MARTIN: I believe Thalidomide was developed in one of the chemical research labs at Auschwitz.

ALLISON LANGDON: So you believe it was a Nazi invention?

MARTIN: Absolutely, yeah.

The cynic in me says that the Nazis, being defeated in WW2, found a way to get back at their victors. Once of the interviewees on 60 Minutes was a Digger who fought in WW2. His daughter was born with deformities and died before her time, due to his wife having taken thalidomide during pregnancy.
 
If the Nazi link is true then maybe the title of this thread should be changed to something like "a terribly disturbing example of how desensitised, radical politico-religious f***wits don't care about humans"?

Just sayin'

P.S. Notwithstanding - thanks for the interesting (albeit disturbing) articles.
 
Quoted from the wikipedia file on this drug:

"Thalidomide was developed by German pharmaceutical company Grnenthal in Stolberg near Aachen. Heinrich Mckter, a former Nazi Party member and army physician was heading the research department since the start of the company and was responsible for inventing thalidomide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
 
All too common.

This is why the theory that corporations are psychopathic resonates so strongly.
Ford designed a car that sometimes burst into flames in a rear end collision. Their accountants worked out that it would cost more to repair the design than to pay out the insurance on the potential deaths. They kept selling the car.

Union Carbide, Dow Chemical moved its processing plant to India because of increasing environmental and other costs in USA and when the factory blew up it was know as 'the Bhopal tragedy', not the 'giant corporation murders and maims thousands for profits tragedy'.

The toxic substance made its way in and around the shantytowns located near the plant.[2] Estimates vary on the death toll. The official immediate death toll was 2,259 and the government of Madhya Pradesh has confirmed a total of 3,787 deaths related to the gas release.[3] Others estimate 3,000 died within weeks and another 8,000 have since died from gas-related diseases.[4][5] A government affidavit in 2006 stated the leak caused 558,125 injuries including 38,478 temporary partial and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.

In 1989, a settlement was reached under which UCC agreed to pay US$470 million (the insurance sum, plus interest) in a full and final settlement of its civil and criminal liability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster#Compensation_from_Union_Carbide

An average of about $900 per poisoning.

They're called captains of industry because they are at war with us and the Earth.
 
People will always take greed to the max if they are not personally liable when things go wrong.
 
Do not know about their politics or agenda but watched an episode of "The Yes Men" on SBS and they did a skit about the Union Carbide basically apologising for the disaster and stating that a fund account would be paid to the victims to the rest of their lives. The Stock Price plummeted for the next few days until the company saying that this was not the case and they do not agree to it. Worth a you tube look up. Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWlvBro9eI
 
While "greed" may have brought about some terrible practices that should be condemned, remember that it is that same greed that has driven the lions share of innovation throughout history.

Blaming greed is not the answer here. Jailing for life the executives that knowingly committ harm on masses of people is a better path. It is we the people, that need to ensure that greed is pursued in a somewhat ethical manner through pressure on legislation.
 
Yes, Gordon Gecko's speech that 'Greed is Good' was wrong. What he should have said was that 'motivation to increase profit and prosperity' was good. Just semantics I know, but 'greed' is one of the seven deadly sins, whilst 'motivation' could be seen as healthy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT7lb0MOyTY[/youtube]

And yes jail them, but that's a bit hard when they've paid millions to lobby the government to make it legal.
 
Would you mind not tarring the entire pharmaceuticals industry with the same brush?

To keep things in perspective; for every thalidomide catastrophe, there are thousands of medicines, vaccines and therapies which are both safe and effective.

These products are improving health, reducing pain and suffering, and improving quality of life of millions around the world.

Full disclosure: I'm a former 'Big Pharma' employee
 
Roswell Crash Survivor said:
Would you mind not tarring the entire pharmaceuticals industry with the same brush?

To keep things in perspective; for every thalidomide catastrophe, there are thousands of medicines, vaccines and therapies which are both safe and effective.

These products are improving health, reducing pain and suffering, and improving quality of life of millions around the world.

Full disclosure: I'm a former 'Big Pharma' employee

It's all evil ;)
I HATE ALL DRUGS especially prescription crap .
If I had my way I'd string them all up along with bankers & poli's :D
 
spannermonkey said:
Roswell Crash Survivor said:
Would you mind not tarring the entire pharmaceuticals industry with the same brush?

To keep things in perspective; for every thalidomide catastrophe, there are thousands of medicines, vaccines and therapies which are both safe and effective.

These products are improving health, reducing pain and suffering, and improving quality of life of millions around the world.

Full disclosure: I'm a former 'Big Pharma' employee

It's all evil ;)
I HATE ALL DRUGS especially prescription crap .
If I had my way I'd string them all up along with bankers & poli's :D
Yep im with you spanner ..... although a little recreational drugs are good for a giggle i have only taken 1 course of antibiotics & about 6 painkillers in my entire life.I also agree with roswell that there is many good drugs that help millions around the world .I will wait until i actually need them before i take them.

People i notice are quick to reach for a miracle pill for just about anything these days . Personally i wont even take a vitamin supplement .The best preventitive medicine is food
 
spannermonkey said:
Roswell Crash Survivor said:
Would you mind not tarring the entire pharmaceuticals industry with the same brush?

To keep things in perspective; for every thalidomide catastrophe, there are thousands of medicines, vaccines and therapies which are both safe and effective.

These products are improving health, reducing pain and suffering, and improving quality of life of millions around the world.

Full disclosure: I'm a former 'Big Pharma' employee

It's all evil ;)
I HATE ALL DRUGS especially prescription crap .
If I had my way I'd string them all up along with bankers & poli's :D

Nah, there are a couple of pharmceutical companies I am fond of - mainly Lion Nathan and Phillip Morris. :)
 
wrcmad said:
spannermonkey said:
Roswell Crash Survivor said:
Would you mind not tarring the entire pharmaceuticals industry with the same brush?

To keep things in perspective; for every thalidomide catastrophe, there are thousands of medicines, vaccines and therapies which are both safe and effective.

These products are improving health, reducing pain and suffering, and improving quality of life of millions around the world.

Full disclosure: I'm a former 'Big Pharma' employee

It's all evil ;)
I HATE ALL DRUGS especially prescription crap .
If I had my way I'd string them all up along with bankers & poli's :D

Nah, there are a couple of pharmceutical companies I am fond of - mainly Lion Nathan and Phillip Morris. :)

They're not drug companies :D
They're like the butcher ,the candle stick maker ;)

Pot's not a drug - IT'S FRGN NATURAL ;)

I think Dupont should have been strung up before Hitler ;)
Real XTC was used as a medical solution in the 19th century
The queen used to drink pot tea & probably still does .
There used to be special tea houses for women for that time of the month ;)

So who's the real devil here :o
 
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