A missed Micky D's Breakfast, just think...

My experience in this forum is that most members are level headed and reasonable people even though we may disagree sometimes or often with one another.

What I have also experienced as an American on this forum is that a tiny few members make the terrible (and ignorant) mistake of accusing all Americans of being war mongers, bullies, and jingoists when clearly we all are not. For example, It was earlier this year I made some factual comments about the strength of the US military but it was the tiny few ignoramuses who then immediately accused me of being something like an arrogant war loving American when clearly, any sane person who read my remark concerning the strength of the US military could see that in no way, shape, or form was I advocating that the U.S. government's abuse of power using this strong military was justified or that I condone it.

So to those tiny few ignorant members who mistakenly conflate one thing for another (like stating facts about the strength of the US military conflated to being an apologist for any and all US military invasions, occupations, or sanctions of the peoples of other nations) (or showing support for gun ownership conflated to meaning that we are gun crazy Right Wing lunatics or something like that), I say knock it off already....it's tiresome reading your nonsense.

If you want to know individual American SilverStackers' views on a subject just ask them instead of making presumptions that have no bearing on reality. We Americans are definitely not all the same thinking / not the same values.



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mmissinglink said:
My experience in this forum is that most members are level headed and reasonable people even though we may disagree sometimes or often with one another.

What I have also experienced as an American on this forum is that a tiny few members make the terrible (and ignorant) mistake of accusing all Americans of being war mongers, bullies, and jingoists when clearly we all are not. For example, It was earlier this year I made some factual comments about the strength of the US military but it was the tiny few ignoramuses who then immediately accused me of being something like an arrogant war loving American when clearly, any sane person who read my remark concerning the strength of the US military could see that in no way, shape, or form was I advocating that the U.S. government's abuse of power using this strong military was justified or that I condone it.

So to those tiny few ignorant members who mistakenly conflate one thing for another (like stating facts about the strength of the US military conflated to being an apologist for any and all US military invasions, occupations, or sanctions of the peoples of other nations) (or showing support for gun ownership conflated to meaning that we are gun crazy Right Wing lunatics or something like that), I say knock it off already....it's tiresome reading your nonsense.

If you want to know individual American SilverStackers' views on a subject just ask them instead of making presumptions that have no bearing on reality. We Americans are definitely not all the same thinking / not the same values.



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no but you are in the minority, the majority however are warmongering bible bashing country bombing an occupying , innocent civilian killing, ignorant dumb think we can police the world, do as we say not as we do americans

Edit: I just wasted an hour watching s01e01 of scorpion and IF americans actually buy this crap they are more retarded than I had originally thought.
 
mmissinglink said:
My experience in this forum is that most members are level headed and reasonable people even though we may disagree sometimes or often with one another.

What I have also experienced as an American on this forum is that a tiny few members make the terrible (and ignorant) mistake of accusing all Americans of being war mongers, bullies, and jingoists when clearly we all are not. For example, It was earlier this year I made some factual comments about the strength of the US military but it was the tiny few ignoramuses who then immediately accused me of being something like an arrogant war loving American when clearly, any sane person who read my remark concerning the strength of the US military could see that in no way, shape, or form was I advocating that the U.S. government's abuse of power using this strong military was justified or that I condone it.

So to those tiny few ignorant members who mistakenly conflate one thing for another (like stating facts about the strength of the US military conflated to being an apologist for any and all US military invasions, occupations, or sanctions of the peoples of other nations) (or showing support for gun ownership conflated to meaning that we are gun crazy Right Wing lunatics or something like that), I say knock it off already....it's tiresome reading your nonsense.

If you want to know individual American SilverStackers' views on a subject just ask them instead of making presumptions that have no bearing on reality. We Americans are definitely not all the same thinking / not the same values.
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Agreed, not all citizens are to blame for the actions of it's government. Same goes for blaming all religious people for the abuses of a subset of their faith. For the record, I am in favour of the second amendment, and the constitution in general, though it seems to carry less weight as time progresses. In the past, USA inspired, now days it oppresses, both domestically and abroad. The last couple of decades have demonstrated theft, violence and lies while the assumed legitimacy of it's hegemonic status rapidly declines, and more and more it inspires fear and hatred rather than liberty. It's an indescribably disappointing transition.
 
That's it, now you've all done it. The Perth Mint will have to recall the Australian / American memorial 1/2 oz silver coins. :(
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Meh,
We got the gold mines, and the iron ore.
Our drive by shootings mainly hit garage doors, not people. Our schools are safe, our sugar intake is lower, we don't get upset at the macdonalds menu, but most of all ,
We got the uranium.
 
Court Jester said:
no but you are in the minority, the majority however are warmongering bible bashing country bombing an occupying , innocent civilian killing, ignorant dumb think we can police the world, do as we say not as we do americans
Edit: I just wasted an hour watching s01e01 of scorpion and IF americans actually buy this crap they are more retarded than I had originally thought.
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Goushi said:
So you've met and know "the majority" eh? Wow...that's impressive.
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It may be true that most Americans are war mongering, arrogant assholes....I'm not going to deny that we don't have a whole lot of those type of people here in the US but I have done a fairly good job of purging from my life those who do hold attitudes like that (with family members who are retired military officers and who do feel the US military is justified in all its actions, it's tougher to do that but I certainly will give them my piece of mind when such topics do come up).

As for ("bible bashing") religious people, I try to separate religion from the people who hold faith-based beliefs. As an atheist / anti-theist, I do hold very strong views regarding the damage that faith-based belief in deities / supernatural agents does to people and even societies but I also have had for many, many years plenty of good and decent people in my life whom I respect and love who practice religion. There's a way to separate my views of religion from my respect for some people who hold religious faith-based beliefs in the same way I may despise cults but not necessarily the people who get caught up in those cults. I have also stood up fiercely in discussions for the extremist religionists' right of free speech, so in that sense also, I am separating the person from their faith-based beliefs.

Anyway, I suppose this discussion is for a different section of this forum but since religion and war mongering accusations were brought up, well, I can't just let that slide by.



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Well anyway:

On its official website, the United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs (yes, that's really a thing and yes, it is housed right here in the United States) announced that the UN's Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) "will enter into force on 24 December 2014."

Merry Christmas!

It is ironical that on the day before the world's 2.18 billion Christians commemorate the coming of Jesus Christ to the Earth, the United Nations will officially put into motion a plan to deny them of a right given to them by the very God whose birth they celebrate.

For those unfamiliar with the text of the UN's Arms Trade Treaty, here's a brief sketch of the most noxious provisions:

Article 2 of the treaty defines the scope of the treaty's prohibitions. The right to own, buy, sell, trade, or transfer all means of armed resistance, including handguns, is denied to civilians by this section of the Arms Trade Treaty.

Article 3 places the "ammunition/munitions fired, launched or delivered by the conventional arms covered under Article 2" within the scope of the treaty's prohibitions, as well.

Article 4 rounds out the regulations, also placing all "parts and components" of weapons within the scheme.

Perhaps the most immediate threat to the rights of gun owners in the Arms Trade Treaty is found in Article 5. Under the title of "General Implementation," Article 5 mandates that all countries participating in the treaty "shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list." This list should "apply the provisions of this Treaty to the broadest range of conventional arms."

Article 12 adds to the record-keeping requirement, mandating that the list include "the quantity, value, model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms," as well as the identity of the "end users" of these items.

Finally, the agreement demands that national governments take "appropriate measures" to enforce the terms of the treaty, including civilian disarmament. If these countries can't get this done on their own, however, Article 16 provides for UN assistance, specifically including help with the enforcement of "stockpile management, disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes." In fact, a "voluntary trust fund" will be established to assist those countries that need help from UN peacekeepers or other regional forces to disarm their citizens.

Arguably, the Arms Trade Treaty would become the law of the United States if the Senate were to ratify the treaty.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...es-arms-trade-treaty-to-go-into-effect-dec-24
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Court Jester said:
no but you are in the minority, the majority however are warmongering bible bashing country bombing an occupying , innocent civilian killing, ignorant dumb think we can police the world, do as we say not as we do americans

Edit: I just wasted an hour watching s01e01 of scorpion and IF americans actually buy this crap they are more retarded than I had originally thought.
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It varies a lot across the country. America really is 50 little countries in one - each state is radically different. Up here at least (upper Midwest/Great Lakes area), I have found the vast majority of Americans to share my 'Australian' views on most things. However, if I were to travel a few hours south or west, things would be different. An hour or two north and I'd be in Canada, where I've spent quite a lot of time this year and have to say it's eerily similar to Australia (but much colder!)

On top of that, remember that media always tends to concentrate on the vocal, loud, minority, because that's what makes interesting viewing.

Australia is a bit of paradise though and I definitely realising that after living overseas for a while (in a few different countries). Aus routinely top lists of countries with the best quality of life, the most economic mobility, the most household wealth etc. It's true ... but don't take it for granted as there's no guarantee it will stay that way. Particularly if we stop investing in science and technology and fail to diversify our economy a bit. Can't rely on mining and tourism forever.
 
Spilver said:
Meh,
We got the gold mines, and the iron ore.
Our drive by shootings mainly hit garage doors, not people. Our schools are safe, our sugar intake is lower, we don't get upset at the macdonalds menu, but most of all ,
We got the uranium.
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That's the 'odd' thing about Aussie drive-by's - shoot up the shed as if it has badly upset you. Almost enough to inspire one of those "Fail" posters.
 
Goushi said:
blah blah blah I'm different to other americans.. something or other...
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you dont have to read this thread if you dont want.

Nobodys holding a gun to your head. oh hang on your in america. maybe they are.

http://youtu.be/0YS1xzjy0sQ did you see them ?? Who should we bomb next in the war on terror? The correct answer is NOBODY you dumb fukkers. lets bomb north korea, they say, pinning the flag on australia.

And why is there even North Korea? why is that? Why is there a North Korea, and why is it a problem.

Its because American forces Killed up to 30% of the Korean population ensuring they did not unify again. What a disgrace.
 
Yep.
This is a precious metals forum.There are plenty of political forums down the road.
Please don't spoil this forum for those who are interested in precious metals.
 
Goushi said:
mmissinglink said:
Court Jester said:
no but you are in the minority, the majority however are warmongering bible bashing country bombing an occupying , innocent civilian killing, ignorant dumb think we can police the world, do as we say not as we do americans
Edit: I just wasted an hour watching s01e01 of scorpion and IF americans actually buy this crap they are more retarded than I had originally thought.
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Goushi said:
So you've met and know "the majority" eh? Wow...that's impressive.
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It may be true that most Americans are war mongering, arrogant assholes....I'm not going to deny that we don't have a whole lot of those type of people here in the US but I have done a fairly good job of purging from my life those who do hold attitudes like that (with family members who are retired military officers and who do feel the US military is justified in all its actions, it's tougher to do that but I certainly will give them my piece of mind when such topics do come up).

As for ("bible bashing") religious people, I try to separate religion from the people who hold faith-based beliefs. As an atheist / anti-theist, I do hold very strong views regarding the damage that faith-based belief in deities / supernatural agents does to people and even societies but I also have had for many, many years plenty of good and decent people in my life whom I respect and love who practice religion. There's a way to separate my views of religion from my respect for some people who hold religious faith-based beliefs in the same way I may despise cults but not necessarily the people who get caught up in those cults. I have also stood up fiercely in discussions for the extremist religionists' right of free speech, so in that sense also, I am separating the person from their faith-based beliefs.

Anyway, I suppose this discussion is for a different section of this forum but since religion and war mongering accusations were brought up, well, I can't just let that slide by.



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My apologies...I came here and registered believing this was a community where people share ideas, knowledge and experience about all things SILVER. Let me make THAT point perfectly clear: I'm here for the SILVER and NOTHING else.

Obviously, I was not aware that it is also a POLITICAL forum where for no apparent reason whatsoever, some members who have tenure here feel it necessary to name-call and categorize an entire nationality of people in broad sweeping generalities in order to appear intelligent or superior.

Do not judge or categorize ME or my fellow countrymen based upon the actions of our Government or your PERSONAL world views. A large majority of us are completely unhappy with our so called "leadership" and the direction they have taken our country and the World.

In my 56 years of Life, I've thankfully had the good fortune of both traveling and living for extended periods of time in many different parts of the World.

One thing that experience taught me is that EVERY nation, race and culture contains a wide VARIETY of people covering a total spectrum of views, qualities and abilities: from the criminal class to saints...from "intelligence challenged" to the brilliant: and as some posters here have so aptly demonstrated, Australia and the UK are NO different.

That being said, one of the measures of INTELLIGENCE is the ability cognitively to make and comprehend DISTINCTIONS: whereas, the inability to DIFFERENTIATE, only see in terms of generalities, is the hallmark of small and POORLY developed minds.

So go ahead, revel in whatever artificial sense of superiority you seem to gain here from myopic, black and white views of us "Americans" and all things "American" or those of any other group or nationality of people you chose next to target.

We'll be your BOOGEYMAN to hate and scorn...if that's what you need to sleep tight every night and feel good about yourself..

However, you do need to know, it certainly doesn't serve the best interests of this community in terms of promoting goodwill towards a common success which can be shared by ALL members.

It DOES however, succeed in continually SPOILING and POLLUTING the dialogue here for no worthwhile reason, albeit as a platform for all kinds of insecurity, narrow-mindedness, arrogance and self-absorption.

And lest you make ANY mistakes about thinking you may have offended or alienated me, don't worry. I assure you that you haven't. If you elect to continue acting like 20 year olds who think they know everything about everyone in the World simply because you're pursuing a liberal arts degree in Sociology or International Politics, go right ahead.

I DON'T CARE.

I see THROUGH your words and actions for what they trull are, a hopelessly MISGUIDED expression of personal UNHAPPINESS: a sad and lonely projection out into the World and upon others, of some great unhappiness and self-loathing within yourself, that until this moment in life, you have been unable or unwilling to OWN and resolve for yourself.

Please DO continue to grind your axes and stew in your own juices. You have my BLESSINGS. Just don't be expect people who come here with different ideas, backgrounds or viewpoints to stick around and feel GOOD about contributing in a positive manner to your "little club."

Not because you've somehow succeeded in "chasing away the stupid Yanks", but simply because WHY would I want to stay and offer anything positive to those who don't know me or have never met me, but insist they have a right to JUDGE me?

No thank you.

So, do you want to TALK about SILVER, or continue playing in your sandbox?
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I will judge YOUR country on its actions and will continue to do so. I generalise these things based on the actions your leaders take and do on the world stage. YOUR leaders which are elected by the PEOPLE to represent THEM.

I am not trying to scare the "STUPID YANKS" off just open their eyes to the atrocities that have been committed in their name all over the world, and try to point out why much of the world despises Americans.
 
Cimexus said:
It varies a lot across the country. America really is 50 little countries in one - each state is radically different. Up here at least (upper Midwest/Great Lakes area), I have found the vast majority of Americans to share my 'Australian' views on most things. However, if I were to travel a few hours south or west, things would be different. An hour or two north and I'd be in Canada, where I've spent quite a lot of time this year and have to say it's eerily similar to Australia (but much colder!)

On top of that, remember that media always tends to concentrate on the vocal, loud, minority, because that's what makes interesting viewing.

Australia is a bit of paradise though and I definitely realising that after living overseas for a while (in a few different countries). Aus routinely top lists of countries with the best quality of life, the most economic mobility, the most household wealth etc. It's true ... but don't take it for granted as there's no guarantee it will stay that way. Particularly if we stop investing in science and technology and fail to diversify our economy a bit. Can't rely on mining and tourism forever.
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Though we still have it better than most, it's not as god as it was. Mining is on a downswing, and our "stop the boats" policy has fostered enough of a racist sentiment that our neighbors are less inclined to holiday where they expect to be discriminated against. Investment in science and tech has also been reduced significantly, with CSIRO being gutted, and anything to do with environmental matters either being shut down or facing massive budget cuts.

Peter said:
Yep.
This is a precious metals forum.There are plenty of political forums down the road.
Please don't spoil this forum for those who are interested in precious metals.
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Free speech, and the ability to ignore threads.

mmissinglink said:
As for ("bible bashing") religious people, I try to separate religion from the people who hold faith-based beliefs. As an atheist / anti-theist, I do hold very strong views regarding the damage that faith-based belief in deities / supernatural agents does to people and even societies but I also have had for many, many years plenty of good and decent people in my life whom I respect and love who practice religion. There's a way to separate my views of religion from my respect for some people who hold religious faith-based beliefs in the same way I may despise cults but not necessarily the people who get caught up in those cults. I have also stood up fiercely in discussions for the extremist religionists' right of free speech, so in that sense also, I am separating the person from their faith-based beliefs.
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Totally.

Shippeevt said:
The real problem with a lot of Americans these days is there lazy and think there entitled to everything with out having to work for it. I'm not talking about all of us but as time goes by and the lazy people continue to breed it will only get worse. There are a lot of good people in this country, so when people from other countries, mainly you australian fellas generalize all of us Americans into one category, you sound just as arrogant and dumb as you make us out to be... Just saying I'm proud to be American but not neasacarily proud of where we're heading as a country.
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Feel the same way about being an Ausssie. I've got plenty to say against USA, and also AUS, based on the BS our GOVTS get us into. Generally I don't blame it on individuals, even though democracy implies consent. The exception is when an individual ignorantly expresses nationalist sentiment.
 
I have noticed and I have to say I do not know why it has taken me so long..... This forum is awash with negativity, it is in nearly every thread. People whinging and bitching, carrying on like children.

Now I have come to that realisation it is interesting to read the different threads.

There is no sense of community, seems like a lot of people with a very individualist attitude which shows through fairly clearly.
 
Goushi said:
An obvious ERROR on my part to think that a CRAB who's moniker is "SIDEWAYS" would have enough brain material to be able to judge a country without judging and smearing individuals of said country.

Fortunate I don't live in your crustacean mind.
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yes fortunately you dont live here it would drag down the general IQ of the country. You prove my point as a arrogant ignorant American, The individuals in the United states make up the country, and elect their leaders to represent them so I will blame ALL individuals in said country as they are all responsible for the actions of their leaders.


Also dont get me wrong I also dont like our elected leaders and dont agree with what they are also doing in OUR name
 
Peter said:
Yep.
This is a precious metals forum.There are plenty of political forums down the road.
Please don't spoil this forum for those who are interested in precious metals.
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I hope that you will say the same thing when others post political threads on this forum. I will be waiting.
 
I am an Australian who has lived and worked in America and to me this thread shows just how little people know about that country. It is indeed many countries in one, it contains the best and the worst of most things, It is more diverse than any other country I have worked in or visited and I have to say that I find people there generally more polite and helpful than any other place I have visited. Australians could learn something about manners from many parts of the US. Making generalisations about a place like America and blaming the citizens of that country for the choices of a leadership that the citizens of said country have virtually no control over is parochial and infantile IMHO. It is a country of great geographical and cultural beauty and diversity and generally the people there are as decent as you will find anywhere.
 
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