jpanggy said:
@pmfiend.
That ultimate agenda would be, what exactly?
Controlling everyone, for what purpose?
Becoming richer? Having more power? Shadow player?
A lot of people already have vast amount of power money and control. So, I don't think there needs to be a secret society to do this. The republicans have huge power base and their connection to mega churches makes their influence penetrate deeper to the lives of U.S. citizen than the supposed secret society control.
China holds a huge amount of control over information and social education of their citizen, this too is not a secret. Heck they even publicly control population.
I am interested to know why are people so convinced of secret societies.
Well, I'm not an expert on the subject. From what I gather they want to reduce the human population to more controllable levels, create a single centralized government, one monetary unit, and one religion (a Geia-type probably), the new world order. Why control most of the world, when you could control all of it? I'm not a power-drunk sociopath, and I don't really understand the desire to shape the world in your own image. I'd rather let humanity mature and express itself without being confined and crippled by the desires of a single leader (or group of like-minded leaders).
There is no need for secret societies. I'm convinced they do exist because a number them that were formerly secretive are now at least acknowledged to exist (yet what actually happens behind their closed gates still remains a mystery). i.e.
Skull and Bones, the Bilderberg Group, etc. Its not hard to imagine that there are long lived social groups that are still secret.
I don't believe in a single Illuminati group that controls all world affairs. Most likely their are a bunch of loose alliances competing against one another for absolute power, co-operating when it seems mutually beneficial.
I treat the illuminati topic the same as ghosts and ufos. They are basically tarpits. There's just enough evidence to keep you fighting, but enough misinfo/disinfo that you'll always be bogged down until you're spent. I don't spend much time on the subject because I don't think it will bear much fruit. Even if you could prove it's existence, no one is going to care. Thousands of architects say that a 47 story steel building (WTC Building 7) can not fall into it's own footprint at near free fall speed due to office fires. They can prove it with physics. But no one cares.