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MMT is not universally accepted. Plenty of economists reject it completely.

That is correct.

It is rejected by most orthodox (mainstream) economic schools of thought such as the neo-liberal, monetarist, new classical schools as well as other heterodox schools such as the Austrians, though the latter would accept the basic tenets I would argue. It has its roots in earlier theories such as Chartalism, Aba Lerner's work as well as others. In other words it's not new but it's been tweaked to recognise how modern sovereign nations fund their spending.

The important thing is not what the twats over on Sky News, The Sydney Morning Herald or the Treasury Department think, they're stuck in an old mindset, rather what you think and whether you can defend your understanding of it or not.

So have a go and throw up your criticisms of it and we'll see whether they can stand or if they'll waver and collapse. You can start a new thread if you like on MMT, @betterinvestmentthanshare's is keen for someone to do it.
 
I have no interest in MMT, just as I have no interest in other crackpot theories such as phrenology, homeopathy, or crystal power. I am under no obligation to defend my understanding of any of these, because there is no compelling evidence to suggest they are true. :p
 
I have no interest in MMT, just as I have no interest in other crackpot theories such as phrenology, homeopathy, or crystal power. I am under no obligation to defend my understanding of any of these, because there is no compelling evidence to suggest they are true. :p

You're under no obligation to explore any alternative to your own ignorance.
 
I have no interest in MMT, just as I have no interest in other crackpot theories such as phrenology, homeopathy, or crystal power. I am under no obligation to defend my understanding of any of these, because there is no compelling evidence to suggest they are true. :p

The Constitution of Australia. Section 115 of the Constitution establishes "a state shall not coin money, nor make anything but gold or silver coin a legal tender in the payment of debts"

I am the first to admit I don’t completely understand where we currently are but I am sure we don’t “work” under the constitution principles. I now don’t believe in the “tax to spend” often repeated ad nauseam by the main stream media, most politicians and accepted by most of the population. I don’t believe I have any of my money in a bank! ( I lent it to them without security and it can be difficult to get it out of their system ie try taking out larger cash withdrawals hence the worldwide push for CBDC)

The amount of money ( “debt”) created over the last few decades (possibily century) and the current geopolitical situation/s seem connected. I believe its incumbent to try to make some sort of sense of where we a likely headed not only for ourselves but for our family/children/grandchildren/friends. Historically I believe we have been through similar conditions previously.

Although I believe at the moment we are protected to some extent with our collective stacker community’s involvement in the precious metals and other alternative sectors. I still continue to ponder as to what the end game is ( besides death & taxes) and will/have explored alternate possibilities ,including but not limited to, when/if it’s time to “hedge”, when/if it’s time to consider gold silver ratio swap , when/if it’s time to “ move on” and when/if it’s time to move on move on to what! ? ……. ( I know others “ponder” as well)

Paradoxically we can all still benefit from our positions without having to understand why.
 
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The dollar isnt even money, its just currency.
Its a money derivative that doesnt meet the criteria to be money.

Gold is money and is doing exactly what real money does when a fiat is failing. I dont see what you dont comprehend here.
We are seeing gold acting as real money every day doing exactly what real money does.

But please go on with your MMT blah blah.
No one understands, everyone is ignorant.
 
The dollar isnt even money, its just currency.
Its a money derivative that doesnt meet the criteria to be money.

Gold is money and is doing exactly what real money does when a fiat is failing. I dont see what you dont comprehend here.
We are seeing gold acting as real money every day doing exactly what real money does.

It's pretty simple to comprehend, fiat is not failing. It's doing the job it is designed to do.

It makes no difference whether you consider fiat or gold as money or goats or cowries. The modern monetary system functions according to a set framework, whether you're on board with that or not.

But please go on with your MMT blah blah.
No one understands, everyone is ignorant.

Like all knowledge of the world not everyone is ignorant. There are people that understand MMT (after all it is very basic). There are also the blissfully ignorant. There are people that disagree and are able to provide a coherent though faulty argument for their beliefs. And then there are the the hostile antagonists intent on avoiding any journey that takes them on the road to self-discovery.
 
Come on Shiney, you’ve proven yourself to be a champion on economics and finance, why not share your knowledge to help instead of belittling members
U can't win any argument against Shiny.

U see, he's the smartest economist he's ever known & what he preaches to us ignorant is the " Economic Gospel " ( well according to him anyway )

He's Admin so u can't block his dumb ass. So u just get a sermon anytime u disagree with his BullShit.

Other Forum Admin just do the Admin & keep their Shitty Opinions to themselves. ( & he's quite sneaky in his subtle belittling )

Not Shiny ! He's the economic preacher that is on a " Mission from God " to convert u :p
 
I agree fiat is doing exactly what is was designed to do.
It's pretty simple to comprehend, fiat is not failing. It's doing the job it is designed to do.

It makes no difference whether you consider fiat or gold as money or goats or cowries. The modern monetary system functions according to a set framework, whether you're on board with that or not.



Like all knowledge of the world not everyone is ignorant. There are people that understand MMT (after all it is very basic). There are also the blissfully ignorant. There are people that disagree and are able to provide a coherent though faulty argument for their beliefs. And then there are the the hostile antagonists intent on avoiding any journey that takes them on the road to self-discovery.

Designed to fail?

Next question, are the leaders evil or ignorant?
 
I don’t believe I have any of my money in a bank! ( I lent it to them without security and it can be difficult to get it out of their system ie try taking out larger cash
Just spitballing, but will there come a time when we have more faith in fiat than the banks and start mailing $2,600 in cash for a kilo bar between Sydney and Melbourne?
Each parcel holds the same value at the time.
 
I agree fiat is doing exactly what is was designed to do.

Designed to fail?

On the whole modern fiat systems are succeeding in what they are designed to do which is to allow the government to fund its spending needs without needing to raise revenue or borrow while also allowing them to control the economy through taxation. That's its function. Any other quality you seek to impose upon the fiat system then is outside its lane.

Whether our leaders are optimising that success is another matter entirely and has to do with competency/ideology as opposed to any systemic deficiencies.

Next question, are the leaders evil or ignorant?

That depends upon who you're talking about. Some are evil some are ignorant, some are incompetent, some are of questionable moral integrity and some are honest. Just like people all over the world.
 
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U can't win any argument against Shiny.

U see, he's the smartest economist he's ever known & what he preaches to us ignorant is the " Economic Gospel " ( well according to him anyway )

He's Admin so u can't block his dumb ass. So u just get a sermon anytime u disagree with his BullShit.

Other Forum Admin just do the Admin & keep their Shitty Opinions to themselves. ( & he's quite sneaky in his subtle belittling )

Not Shiny ! He's the economic preacher that is on a " Mission from God " to convert u :p

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Wipe your chin mate.
 
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