Phoney Pandas

Discussion in 'Modern Chinese Coins & Medallions' started by yennus, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. comeaux

    comeaux Member Silver Stacker

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    2000 obverse, 2003 reverse with a 2004 in the description !

    It's a tao all in one coin the ultimate combo panda I might even buy it for a conversation piece :cool:

    This is a rare bear indeed :D
     
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    I cant stop of laughing. My daughter say to me. Its plata (silver) is a ugly photo for her.
     
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    :D
     
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    it does look bad, maybe the panda experts can tell.
     
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    SENT SELLER A MESSAGE
     
  10. yennus

    yennus Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Surely the seller must know it's a bad bear?
     
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    There must be a batch of these because my fake mirror looked like this.
     
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    yennus Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Yep... it's a common bad bear design... it's called the Ugly 2000 Mirror.
     
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    jc888888888 New Member Silver Stacker

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    sent the seller a message here is his reply:
    Dear jc888888888,

    We ended auction & canceled it due to finding out this was fake. Thanks for bringing to our attention

    - 13790estates
     
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    Fake 2000 mirror panda images for you:

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    Fine work jc lotsa 8s!
     
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    Yep Grizz ... possibly another shady dealer here in the link you posted.

    Here is an interesting conversation between me and the person "miscstuff-us" selling this 2000 mirrored Panda which I believe is fake. The seller has a feedback score of "0" and it has been difficult for me to get him to post a better picture of the front of the coin.

    So now he supposedly posted a new picture of the coin at the bottom of the listing but it is not appearing on the page. The panda side of the coin appears to have a black spot at the .999 which is usually one of the spots amongst many where they develop. I'm quite sure the nose has a black spot as well but I can't really see it in the photo he has posted.

    Here is the dialog so far, oh and this is cut and paste so the spelling is as it was posted :)

    Hello misctuff-us,
    I collect Chinese Pandas and have one of these you are selling.
    I am interested in this coin however I believe it may be fake. One thing for sure is the plastic packaging is not the original as it would have come from the Mint.
    Anyways I am interested ... are you 100% positive that this coin is not a fake 1 oz 2000 Silver Chinese Panda ?
    Thanks,
    comeaux

    Dear comeaux,
    I looked at the coin carefully and it doesnt have any tonage or scuffs or any sign that it is fake. I definately didnt want to take it out of its seal that would devalue it. I weighed the coin, it came up 1oz. I checked all the details up agaisnt an authentic one and they have all the same details. I tried to make the pics really clear, are they not clear enough? maybe the lighting has an effect?
    - miscstuff-us

    hello miscstuff-us,
    Yes maybe it is the lighting ... the coin in this plastic wrap should be somewhere between 38.8 and 39.3 grams as the coin by itself should weigh 31.1 grams. Like I said I am interested in this coin but I do have a lot of experience with pandas and this one just does not look right. Is it possible to post another picture with a close-up of the front of the coin from a straight on view or email me one at [email protected]?
    thanks,
    comeaux

    Dear comeaux,
    Check the discrpiton of the item, I put an up close straiht on pic of the item its a bit further down the page.
    - miscstuff-us


    hello miscstuff,
    Sorry to bother you again but before I bid on this coin I want to see a close up of the front but your new picture does not appear at all ... I see where it says "seller has added additional information" and I see where the picture is supposed to be but it is not appearing.
    Thanks
    comeaux

    Dear comeaux,
    Ok I tried to add another pic I don't know how to get it to show. If you don't want to bid I completly understand.
    - miscstuff-us
     
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    The seller is a con-artist. I tried to get closer picture as well, but the seller avoided the conversation in similar fashion. S/he is cunning as well, since the angle at which the picture is taken is to avoid the black islands showing up, and are burned with reflection.

    I am reporting this to Ebay, but sure will not have any effect just like numerous other ones.

    What is worse, is that I contacted two unrelated scammed buyers to warn them that they bought fake pandas, but they did not bother to contact me back. At least I saved on guy from the other scam seller matvvey or whatever.
     
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    How do you contact buyers since they're only appeared as e.g. a***1 ?
     
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    It takes some time - till the buyer leaves a feedback to the seller - then you can go to seller rating, and find buyer id. That is what I do.
     

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