There will always be rich people and in a shtf time they would go for gold. A supply chain would develop supplying them.
Speaking as someone who has actually experienced the reality of paramilitaries in a rural setting and open conflict in an urban one...you are wasting your money and if any of your doomer fantasy ever played out you would possibly get tortured to death for firing on people and a single marksman in a fixed point defending a static with blind spots will die. Not may die. Will die. All the shite in the world you buy won't make any difference. You've missed nothing. Boredom and discomfort mixed with bouts of terror. It is a pointless lesson a lot of people learn both voluntarily and involuntarily over and over again all over the planet - for what is in the end - never a very good reason mostly. Even an uber duber go faster stripes SF man in black would be screwed up after 6 months in the scenario you describe. You are not that person - you are pissing yourself now already. What use do you think you would be if you actually had solid reasons around you to be afraid? The thing is - it is a fantasy you have - all this shtf nonsense is, it is your cage of fear you have chosen to put yourself in because of your own psychology. Your not scared of 'SHTF' you are afraid of your own personal apocalypse (for possibly good reasons) and buying stuff won't fix that. Shite happens...deal with it. Even if there was a 'catastrophic solar flare' human society does not collapse. Even when artillery is incoming it does not collapse but to justify the fantasy...even if there was a 'civil war' (in Australia!!!!!?????????) you would stay for the party just to justify buying a load of toys. It is all about fear you will cook up reasons to stoke that emotion even when there is no sane probability for these bizarre nightmares. What sickens me is the cowardice and fear and immorality actually fantasising of opening up on possibly lost or desperate people. If you think like this and own a gun - just do the world a favour and sell it now. You failed the psychological test already. Above all the fear and the stupidity of thinking guns are some magic wand. Invitation to trouble is what they are in that context in the hands of a civvie. Next is the waffle about how you are some amateur super sniper or Rambo is it? So even given the choice of a plane ticket and a few years abroad this twisted shtf mentality tries to invent some science fiction implausibility to cook up this BS and justify what in reality would be a bitter and short lesson in the utter randomness of death in armed conflict if 'your nightmare to enjoy being afraid' hits reality . Sitting on a pile of junk in the middle of no where terrified and slowly starving to death...strap that on as the ending. Mindless and if you are buying PMs for some post apocalyptic fantasy in my opinion you are wasting your money. This junk brings down the reputation of PM investors to loony tunes. There are good reasons to buy or hold PMs - this stuff is not a reason - it is a mental disorder.
No, you are reading too much into this. Cypriot relatives lost half their savings and pensions in the bail-ins two years ago. That is SHTF. Zombies are a nonsense. Other than keeping wealth outside of the banking system, the ancillary precautions are a horse for course decision.
"Deposits above the guaranteed limit of 100,000 will face a 47.5 per cent haircut, while an additional 5 per cent of total deposits would be made available for withdrawal by account holders on top of the 10 per cent already returned in cash, according to a joint statement by the finance bank and the central bank. " They must have been fairly loaded to have that excess over 100,000 euros in cash at the bank.Your average bank account on a payroll or a self employed person would be unaffected..... That aside what has this got to do with all this shooting people, civil war and solar flare fruit tree fantasy barter rural location stuff? Read this aloud... "You fight to protect what you got. Much better then being in suburbia with all the desperados and marauders passing just meters from your house. Also, in a SHTF scenario fuel will quickly dry up so people on a remote acreage will have far less of this problem. " Psychotic fantasy ahoy....its a movie ...make believe [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKZKjFjHDM[/youtube]
It's also a fantasy to think everything will always be just rosy dandy and sh*t will/could never happen here. Some/many people like the idea of having a remote property to flee to just in case shtf ever happens one day. Get over it and stop making out like these people are (fear) wacko's. If shtf never happens, then the property I bought has not been a waste because I thoroughly enjoy going there for long weekends. It's also not a waste of money because the value of the property has doubled since I bought it 8 years ago. It's a win win all round is how I see it.
Fair enough. It must have been all the other posts mentioning such stuff and the fact that if you stick SHTF into Google and click on the results you run into a vast array of loons daydreaming about a lifestyle that seems to resemble a medieval peasant and buying army surplus gear and guns that are virtually useless to them. I don't keep a lot of cash at a bank and have assets in several different places. I do get your point about Cyprus but I can't see why anyone would leave so much cash on deposit. The whole Rambo prepper, doomer thing is just for people who want to play soldier/guerrilla or small farmer/dark ages pesant without having the reality or nasty bits of either profession and that is fine as long as they know deep down it is a fantasy and a hobby while they buy pointless toys. If they own firearms and start believing in it while speculating on firing shots at wandering strangers it is just disturbing. It makes gun owners look bad and mad and now it seems PM buyers as well. Guns and people who can't tell fantasy from reality are a bad mix.
I like how you put every type of prepper in the same basket. They are all wacko Rambo types if they got a gun. You also put farmers, self sufficient lifestylers, ect, in that same basket too? Most of them have all got guns. Are you also directing that comment to all the people carrying guns for self protection on streets of your beloved US? They got a real gun problem and crackpots there. That's where gun owners look bad, not here.
Australians will face big problems if a big war ever erupts in the Middle East or the Far East.. Oil is a big problem for Australia in this case scenario. No longer do we have large oil fields (eg. Bass Straight) nor do we have refineries to process the oil. Most of our petrol/diesel comes from Singapore. Can ever imagine a situation in Australia, if petrol rationing was the order of the day. Our major supermarkets would be out of food in a week. The amount of debt held by many countries including the USA IS STAGGERING. A financial collapse IMO is on the cards in the near future. What this will entail, I do not know but if history is any guide then the government will not want hordes of men and angry women protesting in the streets. In 1930, to obtain food men had to walk 30miles a week to get their food ration. The debt situation in the US is worse today than in 1930. $18,000,000,000,000 on the debt clock. Derivatives ARE IN THE $quadrillions... The casino is still operating. For how long? That is the ????? Regards Errol 43
Farmers are not 'preppers'. They have a hard job that in most places does not pay a lot and for them it is a tool for dealing with animals not people. Self sufficiency is a myth unless you want to live in the dark ages so I don't respect those people but if they want a weapon to hunt and are safe with it and know their wildlife and are not simply blowing the shite out of beasts for a laugh that is fine. I'm not from the US and had a long time ago plenty of exposure to firearms and am qualified in several now obsolete small arms weapons systems. I don't believe in this day and age people should be allowed have them unless their doctor confirms they not on medicine that effects their mood, or alcoholic and they can't give a sane and plausible reason they want one. After that there should be a six month probation and a safety course and practical examination in safe handling. Kids should have a mandatory week in secondary school being taught marksmanship on airrifles so that guns are less of a fantasy to them and they have some safety training. The medical cert should be renewed yearly and a safety refresher completed if a different firearm is acquired, Civilian firearm handling whether for target shooting or for occupation is nothing to do with shooting people. If necessary that is for either armed police or the military. That is what they are trained for. You are not. I honestly ask you to reconsider holding a firearm given your thoughts on firing warning shots at unknown strangers in any context, if you are thinking this out loud you are honestly not safe to own a gun. To give one simple example - if manning a checkpoint and a civilian was to attempt to take our weapon after reasoned verbal discouragement I was instructed to very quickly reverse the weapon and deliver a rapid blow to the culprits face with the rifle stock. Not blow their head off. Please consider selling your firearm until a later point in your life when you can look back at what you write and shudder at how crazy you were, it sounds like you are in a mental position where it could just make your life far worse and actually be more of a danger to you than anything else. You have neither the training or experience to deploy it effectively in a defensive capacity. If you kill someone there is no rewind button. Do you like animals?...have you ever considered getting a dog? have you ever owned one?
This i agree with you 100%. I left out the rest of your text as i do not happen to agree with you on those issues and it was getting a bit on the personal side with regard to Skyrocket. If it was not for your political points of view and my almost ALWAYS opposite political views id say we would get on quite well. So i have decided to only engage in topics with you that are not political and that way "hopefully" neither of us will get to grumpy with the other
When I said that I was talking hypothetically about what I would do in a SHTF scenario (with no law) if I saw a stranger on my property when I got "trespassers will be shot" signs everywhere. You keep bringing this up as though I would do this outside of a SHTF scenario. I'm not a nutcase/wacko, so stop trying to make out like I am.
That's fair enough. Nothing good about people on prescription medication for depression running around with firearms though, or for instance in treatment for opiate addiction. It would be good if small bore shooting could actually be a sport again. It may be that Skyrocket may actually get a lot out of owning a dog if he is up to caring for it and do believe he is not currently safe to own a gun based on what he wrote. He can take that or leave it. It would be in his best interest to at least seriously think about it.
If it is of any consequence Skyrocket , i do NOT think you are a wacko In fact i very much enjoy reading your posts, ESPECIALLY as we are on a similar level RE: politics
