250 new bill, really???

I do not accept allegations. I need court judgements proving these allegations. Please provide case number, court and date of case so I can verify.

IF YOU CANNNOT PROVIDE PROOF OF ALLEGATIONS, WHY ARE YOU WASTING MY TIME?

If I am wrong I will apologise to this forum.
This is a discussion on a chat board, not a court of law. :rolleyes:
If you want the documents you go look for them. Court dates and cases he shuts down any panel looking into his corruption via presidential power or methods of intimidation.
These are beyond allegations and are UNDISPUTED facts .

Your failure to discuss just one of the links containing many of Trumps corrupt deeds says lots, not one word. Beyond your skill I think.

You stated “ greatest president ever” citing he is not manipulated by the banks . This statement drew me into this thread.

Demonstrate to us why he is the greatest President ever and not the corrupt villain which the world knows.

Zero discussion on the facts provided , zero facts to back up your claims.
This has been a one way conversation with facts provided to a troll who is either not interested in discussion, not bright enough to engage in a discussion or just likes being a contrarian . A true coward.

Meanwhile the world is paying for his ass licking of Bibi via petrol increases , fertiliser costs rising effecting produce prices all because he did not want Obama to get credit for a deal which he can only dream of getting. Did I mention the 10,000s dead and the billions spent on this unnecessary war. This was from a bloke who said NO MORE wars as part of his campaign for president.

Not to mention the breaking of social cohesion in the USA.

Not to mention the breakdown of NATO , who knows what the cost of this will be.

Did I mention his profiteering from his presidential powers, yes thats right I sent you plenty of links which i doubt you even looked at.

MOST CORRUPT AND EVIL PRESIDENT EVER !!!!!
 
Thank you gentlemen , but please provide
case numbers, courts and dates of cases so I can verify.

Why can you not provide the proof l seek to prove your allegations?

I suspect that the proof of your allegations does not exist and all you are relying upon are the lies presented by the anti Trump media.

Is it unreasonable to ask for proof of an allegation by way of a court ruling etc,?

Obama was nowhere close to millionaire status pre being president.
Same for Biden.
Both accepted their presidentIal salaries.

Trump was a billionaire before he was president and did not personally take his salary, but donated it.

How much is Obama worth today?
How much was he worth before becoming president?

Ask the same question of Clinton and Biden.

I am always happy to listen to legally proven scenarios.
 
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Its not the faces you see or the names you know that you need to worry about.
If you know who they are then they dont run anything. They are ALL puppets.
 
Thank you gentlemen , but please provide
case numbers, courts and dates of cases so I can verify.

Why can you not provide the proof l seek to prove your allegations?

I suspect that the proof of your allegations does not exist and all you are relying upon are the lies presented by the anti Trump media.
ExecutiveBranch

Is it unreasonable to ask for proof of an allegation by way of a court ruling etc,?

Obama was nowhere to close to millionaire status pre being president.
Same for Biden.
Both accepted their presidentI salaries.

Trump was a billionaire before he was president and did not personally take his salary, but donated it.

How much is OBama worth today.
How much was he worth before becoming president?

Ask the same question of Clinton and Biden.

I am always happy to listen to legally proven scenarios.
Most of his corruption has not been tested in court yet. What a silly demand. Will be interesting to see if it does once he leaves office but he has said he would issue a presidential pardon for anything that has happened to prevent investigation . Like he has with his taxes , he has enacted a law that prevents tax dept. from looking anything he has done and he can never be audited. Yet all those democrats opened there taxes up for all to see. Trump is the first not to.. so corrupt.

None of this does not mean it has not happened. What a stupid bar to have on a discussion, the info is there too see, unchallenged by Trump but someone on a chart board to scared to discuss ONE FACT , you do realise how silly you are looking?? :rolleyes:

Talk about what has been presented. Dont be a coward, dont hide behind wriggle words.
Again , Trump has not denied what has been said about him. “Fake news “ is not a response which is what you seem to be relying on too.


Funnily this came up tonight. Some Supreme Court rulings today and it seems like your mans standing up to the banks is illegal and has been prevented by the courts hahaha. Remember this was your reason for saying he is great. Haha
The rapist has also been denied his appeal against Carroll , what a wonderful president . Well he can afford the 5M now anyway. Why are you so keen to say a rapist is great????
As you can see Trump uses the court as bullying tactic to shut people up, very presidential.
Are you going to tell us why he is the best president ever ????????


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As for your unfounded allegation that Obama was not a millionaire before becoming president , he actually had 4M in the bank .

Wow you deflect from having to offer reasons why Trump is great, you deflect from challenging any facts presented to you yet You expect people to respond to your every lie .
This is not about Obama , Biden or Clinton . You stated TRUMP IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER. Thats the topic.
Have a discussion about the most corrupt president ever Donald J Trump , read through the links and educate yourself . Dont be scared . The truth will set you free. Hahahaha

You look like a fool , read back through the thread. You are nothing but evasive .

Dont be a spectator on life , get involved.


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Come on . Tell us why Trump is great. Share some facts , oh wait court dates, case numbers and court reports. Hahahahha
 
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Most of his corruption has not been tested in court yet. What a silly demand. Will be interesting to see if it does once he leaves office but he has said he would issue a presidential pardon for anything that has happened to prevent investigation . Like he has with his taxes , he has enacted a law that prevents tax dept. from looking anything he has done and he can never be audited. Yet all those democrats opened there taxes up for all to see. Trump is the first not to.. so corrupt.

None of this does not mean it has not happened. What a stupid bar to have on a discussion, the info is there too see, unchallenged by Trump but someone on a chart board to scared to discuss ONE FACT , you do realise how silly you are looking?? :rolleyes:

Talk about what has been presented. Dont be a coward, dont hide behind wriggle words.
Again , Trump has not denied what has been said about him. “Fake news “ is not a response which is what you seem to be relying on too.


Funnily this came up tonight. Some Supreme Court rulings today and it seems like your mans standing up to the banks is illegal and has been prevented by the courts hahaha. Remember this was your reason for saying he is great. Haha
The rapist has also been denied his appeal against Carroll , what a wonderful president . Well he can afford the 5M now anyway. Why are you so keen to say a rapist is great????
As you can see Trump uses the court as bullying tactic to shut people up, very presidential.
Are you going to tell us why he is the best president ever ????????


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As for your unfounded allegation that Obama was not a millionaire before becoming president , he actually had 4M in the bank .

Wow you deflect from having to offer reasons why Trump is great, you deflect from challenging any facts presented to you yet You expect people to respond to your every lie .
This is not about Obama , Biden or Clinton . You stated TRUMP IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER. Thats the topic.
Have a discussion about the most corrupt president ever Donald J Trump , read through the links and educate yourself . Dont be scared . The truth will set you free. Hahahaha

You look like a fool , read back through the thread. You are nothing but evasive .

Dont be a spectator on life , get involved.


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Immigration and Border Security
Supporters consider this one of his biggest achievements.
Illegal border crossings fell sharply after new enforcement measures and policy changes.
The administration expanded deportations and increased immigration enforcement.
It reinstated and expanded several first-term immigration policies while limiting asylum access.
Supporters argue these policies restored border control. Critics argue they reduced access to asylum and raised humanitarian and legal concerns.
Economy
The administration focused on:
Extending and expanding tax reductions.
Reducing regulations affecting businesses.
Encouraging domestic manufacturing.
Promoting investment in artificial intelligence and energy infrastructure.
Economic indicators have been mixed. Some measures, such as investment announcements and employment, have been positive, while concerns remain about deficits, inflation, and the long-term effects of tariffs.
Trade
Trump continued his "America First" trade agenda by:
Imposing or increasing tariffs on imports from several countries.
Seeking to encourage companies to manufacture within the United States.
Negotiating adjustments to some trade relationships.
Supporters believe this strengthens U.S. industry; critics argue tariffs increase costs for consumers and businesses.
Energy
The administration prioritized expanding domestic energy production by:
Approving additional oil and gas development.
Reducing environmental regulations.
Supporting pipeline and drilling projects.
Supporters argue this improves energy security; opponents cite environmental and climate concerns.
Government Efficiency
Trump established initiatives aimed at reducing the size of the federal government by:
Cutting federal spending in selected areas.
Reducing the federal workforce.
Seeking to streamline regulations and agencies.
Supporters view this as reducing bureaucracy, while critics argue some cuts affected government services.
Foreign Policy
The administration has emphasized:
Encouraging NATO allies to increase defense spending.
Continuing support for closer relations with key allies while pressing them to contribute more financially.
Seeking negotiated settlements to several international conflicts, though many remain unresolved.
Judicial Appointments
Trump has continued appointing federal judges, further influencing the U.S. judiciary.
Cryptocurrency
His administration has generally taken a more favorable stance toward cryptocurrencies than previous administrations, promoting regulatory changes that supporters say encourage innovation.
Areas of continuing debate
Several initiatives remain controversial or are too early to judge fully:
The long-term economic impact of tariffs.
The effects of tax policy on the national debt.
Immigration policies and their humanitarian consequences.
Environmental impacts of expanded fossil fuel production.
The durability of manufacturing growth.
Overall assessment
Supporters generally cite:
Stronger border enforcement.
Reduced regulation.
Increased support for domestic energy.
A pro-business policy environment.
A more crypto-friendly regulatory approach.


ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
 
Immigration and Border Security
Supporters consider this one of his biggest achievements.
Illegal border crossings fell sharply after new enforcement measures and policy changes.
The administration expanded deportations and increased immigration enforcement.
It reinstated and expanded several first-term immigration policies while limiting asylum access.
Supporters argue these policies restored border control. Critics argue they reduced access to asylum and raised humanitarian and legal concerns.
Economy
The administration focused on:
Extending and expanding tax reductions.
Reducing regulations affecting businesses.
Encouraging domestic manufacturing.
Promoting investment in artificial intelligence and energy infrastructure.
Economic indicators have been mixed. Some measures, such as investment announcements and employment, have been positive, while concerns remain about deficits, inflation, and the long-term effects of tariffs.
Trade
Trump continued his "America First" trade agenda by:
Imposing or increasing tariffs on imports from several countries.
Seeking to encourage companies to manufacture within the United States.
Negotiating adjustments to some trade relationships.
Supporters believe this strengthens U.S. industry; critics argue tariffs increase costs for consumers and businesses.
Energy
The administration prioritized expanding domestic energy production by:
Approving additional oil and gas development.
Reducing environmental regulations.
Supporting pipeline and drilling projects.
Supporters argue this improves energy security; opponents cite environmental and climate concerns.
Government Efficiency
Trump established initiatives aimed at reducing the size of the federal government by:
Cutting federal spending in selected areas.
Reducing the federal workforce.
Seeking to streamline regulations and agencies.
Supporters view this as reducing bureaucracy, while critics argue some cuts affected government services.
Foreign Policy
The administration has emphasized:
Encouraging NATO allies to increase defense spending.
Continuing support for closer relations with key allies while pressing them to contribute more financially.
Seeking negotiated settlements to several international conflicts, though many remain unresolved.
Judicial Appointments
Trump has continued appointing federal judges, further influencing the U.S. judiciary.
Cryptocurrency
His administration has generally taken a more favorable stance toward cryptocurrencies than previous administrations, promoting regulatory changes that supporters say encourage innovation.
Areas of continuing debate
Several initiatives remain controversial or are too early to judge fully:
The long-term economic impact of tariffs.
The effects of tax policy on the national debt.
Immigration policies and their humanitarian consequences.
Environmental impacts of expanded fossil fuel production.
The durability of manufacturing growth.
Overall assessment
Supporters generally cite:
Stronger border enforcement.
Reduced regulation.
Increased support for domestic energy.
A pro-business policy environment.
A more crypto-friendly regulatory approach.


ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

I understand why MAGA fools think these ares great deeds but they DO NOT make him a great president , they show that he is incompetent. I am actually not sure you understand many of the points you made .

Immigration, ICE actions mean a net result is labour is hard to get . Farmers cannot get workers (price increases) , housing builders cannot get projects done due to a lack of labour ( price increases and long delays) This is across the board in a range of low paying industries.
What you fail to understand USA has survived on cheap foreign labour for decades to do the tasks they were unable to get done otherwise. Nothing has been achieved other than stifling growth . Why are these policies good?
I concede a control over border control would be a positive but the way it has been carried out is a joke . Throw up a fence a control who comes in but by instigating racist attacks on those in the country (legal and illegals) achieves nothing and has been a huge negative.
The racist polices of trump again have a negative effect on communities. Is this good for USA , does it make Trump great?

The tariffs and Iran war have affected inflation , it is at its highest rate in 3 years.
10,000s dead , Billions spent . Does this make Trump great?
Consumer confidence is at an all time low due to higher prices.
Stockmarket is lower than when Obama was in power.
US exchange rate has plummeted , way lower than Biden and Obama years.
Crypto . Who care if he has opened up to its use . Not sure what you are on about OCT 25 BTC was 120,000 , it is now around 60,000 .
Tariffs just mean higher prices . Coffee has gone from $1000 tonne to $1500 tonne due to 50% tariff. A chinese TV from Walmart has gone from $300 to $600 due to 100% tariff . How does this make Trump great?

There is not a real economist in the world who believes broad tariffs are useful . World wide confidence in the USA has been affected and will take decades before trust is rebuilt. Hard to quantify this today in dollars but it will come back to bite the USA.
How could this make Trump great?

Australia had tariffs which were relevant as we had a small manufacturing base and also very isolated. Whitlam slashed this in the 1970s and TVs dropped in price dramatically. Industries were effected but if we wanted to trade into the rest of the world we needed to do this.

Reducing environmental regulation and Supporting Alaskan pipeline and other drill baby drill projects at the cost of the environment , this debt WILL be paid by future generations and is an extremely foolish policy. Short term outlook is not how good governments operate. Another Trump failure?

USA has alienated NATO ,USA profits most from NATO spending so no surprise . What it has done is to smarten NATO into realising that the USA cannot be relied upon and they are now looking at Europe alone . Again the trust USA held for so long has been eroded and will take decades to recover.
How can the worlds lack of trust and faith in ther USA be something that makes Trump great?

Trump has achieved nothing on the international stage , he has bullied countries into doing what he wants. He controls the power. All this has done is erode trust in the USA again.

Judicial appts have been nothing but Trump putting people into power that he knows will support him and not what is good for the country and legal . Does this really make Trump great?

Not sure why you list a number of topics with no point made at all. Hard to comment on these.
Your list keeps saying “supporters say” who cares what MAGA voters say. They are naive and have no understanding of intricacies of government , international policy and fiscal matters.
Think you have googled why MAGA think trump is great and you have cut and pasted the results. You seem to show a lack of insight into what you cited and how they have actually impacted the USA and the rest of the world.
Instead of citing what his supporters say why not someone who is knowledgeable and experienced .
I offered you the answers already but think you did not take the time to read them. The links i sent you were informative. Please read them and ask questions. Challenge them if you feel they are wrong , we can discuss them

You have offered nothing and only raised more questions about your lack of understanding of these issues.
 
I understand why MAGA fools think these ares great deeds but they DO NOT make him a great president , they show that he is incompetent. I am actually not sure you understand many of the points you made .

Immigration, ICE actions mean a net result is labour is hard to get . Farmers cannot get workers (price increases) , housing builders cannot get projects done due to a lack of labour ( price increases and long delays) This is across the board in a range of low paying industries.
What you fail to understand USA has survived on cheap foreign labour for decades to do the tasks they were unable to get done otherwise. Nothing has been achieved other than stifling growth . Why are these policies good?
I concede a control over border control would be a positive but the way it has been carried out is a joke . Throw up a fence a control who comes in but by instigating racist attacks on those in the country (legal and illegals) achieves nothing and has been a huge negative.
The racist polices of trump again have a negative effect on communities. Is this good for USA , does it make Trump great?

The tariffs and Iran war have affected inflation , it is at its highest rate in 3 years.
10,000s dead , Billions spent . Does this make Trump great?
Consumer confidence is at an all time low due to higher prices.
Stockmarket is lower than when Obama was in power.
US exchange rate has plummeted , way lower than Biden and Obama years.
Crypto . Who care if he has opened up to its use . Not sure what you are on about OCT 25 BTC was 120,000 , it is now around 60,000 .
Tariffs just mean higher prices . Coffee has gone from $1000 tonne to $1500 tonne due to 50% tariff. A chinese TV from Walmart has gone from $300 to $600 due to 100% tariff . How does this make Trump great?

There is not a real economist in the world who believes broad tariffs are useful . World wide confidence in the USA has been affected and will take decades before trust is rebuilt. Hard to quantify this today in dollars but it will come back to bite the USA.
How could this make Trump great?

Australia had tariffs which were relevant as we had a small manufacturing base and also very isolated. Whitlam slashed this in the 1970s and TVs dropped in price dramatically. Industries were effected but if we wanted to trade into the rest of the world we needed to do this.

Reducing environmental regulation and Supporting Alaskan pipeline and other drill baby drill projects at the cost of the environment , this debt WILL be paid by future generations and is an extremely foolish policy. Short term outlook is not how good governments operate. Another Trump failure?

USA has alienated NATO ,USA profits most from NATO spending so no surprise . What it has done is to smarten NATO into realising that the USA cannot be relied upon and they are now looking at Europe alone . Again the trust USA held for so long has been eroded and will take decades to recover.
How can the worlds lack of trust and faith in ther USA be something that makes Trump great?

Trump has achieved nothing on the international stage , he has bullied countries into doing what he wants. He controls the power. All this has done is erode trust in the USA again.

Judicial appts have been nothing but Trump putting people into power that he knows will support him and not what is good for the country and legal . Does this really make Trump great?

Not sure why you list a number of topics with no point made at all. Hard to comment on these.
Your list keeps saying “supporters say” who cares what MAGA voters say. They are naive and have no understanding of intricacies of government , international policy and fiscal matters.
Think you have googled why MAGA think trump is great and you have cut and pasted the results. You seem to show a lack of insight into what you cited and how they have actually impacted the USA and the rest of the world.
Instead of citing what his supporters say why not someone who is knowledgeable and experienced .
I offered you the answers already but think you did not take the time to read them. The links i sent you were informative. Please read them and ask questions. Challenge them if you feel they are wrong , we can discuss them

You have offered nothing and only raised more questions about your lack of understanding of these issues.

That is your opinion.

Our opinions differ.

You are basing your opinion on unsubstantiated media claims from the anti Trump media.

My comments are based on real life facts.

Please tell me why you so passionately hate an US President without any proof of allegations against him. All allegations are simply anti Trump media propaganda.

I base my views / opinions on proven and documentedj facts.

Seems a logical way to assess a situation. Would you not agree?
 
That is your opinion.

Our opinions differ.

You are basing your opinion on unsubstantiated media claims from the anti Trump media.

My comments are based on real life facts.

Please tell me why you so passionately hate an US President without any proof of allegations against him. All allegations are simply anti Trump media propaganda.

I base my views / opinions on proven and documented facts.

Seems a logical way to assess a situation. Would you not agree?
 
That is your opinion.

Our opinions differ.

You are basing your opinion on unsubstantiated media claims from the anti Trump media.

My comments are based on real life facts.

Please tell me why you so passionately hate an US President without any proof of allegations against him. All allegations are simply anti Trump media propaganda.

I base my views / opinions on proven and documentedj facts.

Seems a logical way to assess a situation. Would you not agree?
You are a clown.
You have not offered one fact and ignored every one presented to you. SHOW ME THE DOCUMENTED FACTS?????
You don not base anything on facts otherwise you would cite them.
You would tear apart the facts I offered you , pages of links discussing Trumps impact on the USA. BUT YOU DONT.

You throw up AI generated points on what MAGA supporters like, which you obviously you did not understand.

Are rapists great?
Show me the facts that Obama was not a millionaire before being president?
Show how the economy is going great?
Show me how trumps divisive homeland policies are good for the country?
Show me how trumps tariffs are good?
Show me how the war in Iran is great ? Dont ignore the dead and fiscal costs?
Show me how the drop in consumer confidence makes trump great?
Show me how wrecking the environment is great?
How can the world .loss of trust in the USA be great?
Show me why trump and his family profiting from his role as president is great????
SHOW THE FATCS??

Every post I make you have not responded to one fact , you offer up AI drivel points then say hey this is fact. They were opinions of his supporters.

STOP BEING EVASIVE AND COWARDLY , ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE YET TO SHOW ONE FACT OF WHY TRUMP IS GREAT. NOT ONE!!!!!!

Just a troll , an ignorant one at that.
 
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