Labor's superannuation bill

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I can see them walking back a few of their ridiculous proposals. The proposed bill is naturally drawing criticism from a wide variety of experts and industry bodies, mainly because it's ill-thought out. Which is standard Canberra procedure.

The Albanese government proposes to tax people on gains from any assets kept in their superannuation accounts, beginning with those with a balance of $3 million or more, without indexation.

Industry superannuation funds, self-managed funds, investors, business leaders, and even ex-trade unionists have asked Labor to remove the unrealised component of the tax and modify the concession tax rates on contributions and earnings.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/05/how-to-fix-superannuation
 
couple bad points: Even if it goes through, not indexing the value is going to cause pain for our kids and definitely our grandkids. But I can't get the idea of taxing unrealized gains, just insane. I mean, let me claim against my unrealized loses and oh man any of us in crypto are never paying another tax bill in our lives... lol.

Moving here from abroad I thought super was a pretty good idea, but man, the government can't stop changing the rules. thought it was a retirement savings initiative. But turns out you can use it to buy a house or could have raided it after a market crash during covid...
 
couple bad points: Even if it goes through, not indexing the value is going to cause pain for our kids and definitely our grandkids. But I can't get the idea of taxing unrealized gains, just insane. I mean, let me claim against my unrealized loses and oh man any of us in crypto are never paying another tax bill in our lives... lol.

Moving here from abroad I thought super was a pretty good idea, but man, the government can't stop changing the rules. thought it was a retirement savings initiative. But turns out you can use it to buy a house or could have raided it after a market crash during covid...

We already get taxed on unrealised capital gains.
Land tax in Victoristan and property rates.
Value goes up, so does the amount of tax.

Hypothetically, Theoretically if you got $20k out of your super during covid and bought gold with it you would have doubled it and you have control over it. Win win.

Hypothetically.....
 
I used to think politicians were just fkn dumb as shit, or maybe just ignorant at best, but I'm coming around to believing that they're actually complicit in an evil plan to subjugate us. Seriously, there is just so much information out there that says at the Federal level "taxes do not raise revenue, they cancel a debt" yet our politicians continue to spout forth lies in order to justify their actions. FFS!!

From news.com.au:

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And mainstream media is complicit:

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I used to think politicians were just fkn dumb as shit, or maybe just ignorant at best, but I'm coming around to believing that they're actually complicit in an evil plan to subjugate us. Seriously, there is just so much information out there that says at the Federal level "taxes do not raise revenue, they cancel a debt" yet our politicians continue to spout forth lies in order to justify their actions. FFS!!

From news.com.au:

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And mainstream media is complicit:

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They need to keep managing the budget and maintaining a "healthy" surplus ;):p they're just simple public servants protecting and serving our interests of course :DI've had enough of all the bullshit time to go full retard strap on my tinfoil hat...always keep within reach and retreat into the bush, as far away from sick society and the madness as possible:)
 
I like society, some of my favourite people are in it, I don't like the BS that politicians say and do in order to maintain control over society.

I just want to buy a really cheap laptop. Put that first screenshot I posted on it fullscreen, then walk up to the nearest politician and smack them in the face repeatedly with it until the idea sinks in to their thick skulls.
 
I like society, some of my favourite people are in it, I don't like the BS that politicians say and do in order to maintain control over society.

I just want to buy a really cheap laptop. Put that first screenshot I posted on it fullscreen, then walk up to the nearest politician and smack them in the face repeatedly with it until the idea sinks in to their thick skulls.
I'd buy ticket for that show...especially for the PM ;)
 
Some good info here from an educational perspective.

https://www.smsfalliance.com.au/proposed-excess-member-balance-tax-calculator/

If passed, the tax will begin in the 2025/2026 financial year. It would apply to any member whose total super balance is over $3m as 30 June 2026 and apply to a portion of the fund “earnings” for that year. (Unlike other measures where the trigger is the previous year’s TSB, for this tax, the trigger is at the end of the year that will be taxed).

The process is as follows.

Calculate the Div 296 Earnings

Earnings = TSB at end of the financial year – the greater of TSB at start of the financial year or $3m.

Adjust it by removing after tax contributions and adding back withdrawals including pension payments.

Calculate the Taxable Portion

(TSB at end of FY) – $3m (large balance threshold) ÷ (TSB at end of FY)

Apply the Tax

Tax is 15% of Earnings x Taxable Portion

https://www.smsfalliance.com.au/div-296-calculator/
 
Using their calculator above on an individual's super balance of $4million that grows to $4.1 million and ignoring any withdrawals, contributions etc:

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It's calculated as a % of a % kind of so a tax liability of just over $4K is created if the individual's total super balance increases by $100K. The individual won't actually be getting taxed on the full $100K amount, there is a discount because the total super balance is taken into consideration. And losses can be carried forward as credits against future liabilities.
 
Based on these calculations I can't see them walking back the bill, with maybe some tweaks around indexation.
 
I remember seeing a Super poster in a smoko shed in the early 1980's. It was a table of returns, based on about 18% and suggested that I as a 25 year old could retire at 55 with a million bucks. If I waited till I was 60 I'd have a mountain more, I didn't believe it for one minute lol. It was a sales pitch to the construction unions who were very wary about their wages. In with it was a scheme to go from cash payments on payday to bank deposits, and we were offered an extra 50 cents an hour if we took that. I left the industry and went to work for myself in an unrelated field, I did quite well too but never put another cent into super. I still have 30k or so sitting there, I'll take it out one day soon but compared to my pm investments it's nothing like the promises made in 1980.

Every generation is made these sort of promises. The people paying extra tax in the 50's and 60's were promised a government old age pension that would give them an income like they were making then. How did that turn out...
 
I've been watching this evolve both pre and post election and like the "Voice" details as shared by Gangster No 1 "Albo" and his side kick Capo Jim seem far and few between except "trust us it won't hurt most of you"....or words from a politician to that effect scare me.

I take at face value @mmm....shiney! 's comments above and example calc that it may be won't be a painful as SkyNews yells, but do I trust Govt, especially a left leaning ALP not to try and extend this cash grab beyond advertised settings...No Way. If they get away with this, other assets and the family home will be lined up in coming years.

Fun fact that accordingly to a recent ABC news article, most ALP Federal MP's own at least one or more investment properties. Refer link below.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10...-australian-federal-politicians-own/104476596

Politicians don't usually table legislation that will have a negative effect on them, so with the devil in the detail, apart from the headline exemptions already aired (not legally confirmed by Sky), will those in the Albo gang (and other party MP's) get an exemption / grandfathering in of current assets to ensure their silence and support in the Senate?

For me this tax is the thin edge of the wedge and puts Australia on the path (unless the LNP find a backbone, fight an election, win it and repeal this) to seeing private property ownership become a thing of history in the coming decades if it isn't stopped now and in next few election cycles as the family home will be on the list shortly and struggling mums and dads won't be able to find the extra coin to pay the ATO...I'll come back to that one shortly with a thought.

The ALP has stoked the inter-generational war pitting Boomers, Gen X and some early Millennials against later Millennials and Gen Z all based on the later two groups not being able to buy a home like prior generations. Thus how to fix, tax the crap out of the Boomers and Gen X who are now a declining % of the electoral vote and lock in an ALP govt for years by pandering to the later Millennials and Gen Z's (with some form of Govt support) who will dominate voting in coming years. Give the people someone to blame, show you are punishing someone and you'll probably get their vote again. Yes it's a broad sweeping statement but it's what I see Albo now doing with glee. Maybe cos he grew up in housing commission he's got a chip on his shoulder re those he went to uni with who came from better off families...I don't know but what I do know is that Albo (landlord and very coastal property co owner) seems to have embraced property investment so lets see if he skates through this new tax.

Just a thought and looking through to the other side on this tax over the coming years / decades should it remain in force and even be expanded to other assets including your family home. Several years some new lenders (and some banks) came to the market with reverse mortgages to assist those (generally older folk) who are asset rich / cash poor with new cash flow in exchange for security over the house when you died or sold it. Being in the finance sector this product really didn't take off and has been quite for year.....Now think forward to time where this tax is in place, non-indexed, covers all investments assets and the family home and each poorer by the year Aussie has to find $ to pay the ATO (cos like council rates on property values never go down). Enter the like's of Vanguard, Blackstone and other global asset managers who have large commercial and resi investments. I can see them providing a type of reverse mortgage to anyone who wants it cos as the end of the day when the owner dies or sells, the buy of the debt would be horrible (due to int rate and fees charged, the property would most likely just default to lender who would hold it.

Maybe we are only generations away from "You will own nothing and you will be happy"?.......I never really bought into this line of thoughts (thanks WEF) but Albo taxes gets me thinking there's a larger motive afoot rather than just raise more cash to waste on ALP vote buying. I may be well off the mark...time will tell.
 
Speaking of property ownership, grab your popcorn and watch over the next 4 years.
A source I've just come across is warning of a weather cycle change starting in 2026, involves astrology and planet's alignment etc, and its not good news, predicting major floods especially along the East Coast, the underground water tables are already sodden and full.
He warns of flood levels that haven't been experienced in over 180 years, what we've seen to date is "puddles" according to him lol
This will be blamed on climate change, up goes your insurance premiums, so much so many will not afford.
And if anyone has been paying attention, there is already plans in place for managed relocation program's, area's have already been marked as potential disaster zones, insurance companies will have a field day, and so will those planning to buy up "uninsurable properties"
I for one hope it doesn't eventuate, but I will be very interested to see if plays out.
 
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I've been watching this evolve both pre and post election and like the "Voice" details as shared by Gangster No 1 "Albo" and his side kick Capo Jim seem far and few between except "trust us it won't hurt most of you"....or words from a politician to that effect scare me.

I take at face value @mmm....shiney! 's comments above and example calc that it may be won't be a painful as SkyNews yells, but do I trust Govt, especially a left leaning ALP not to try and extend this cash grab beyond advertised settings...No Way. If they get away with this, other assets and the family home will be lined up in coming years.

If this tax is "so modest" and will effect "so few", then what's the pint of it in terms of tax revenue? .......nothing, it's about normalising the concept where it hurts so few then rolling it out on all assets.

Private ownership of assets is what they don't want.
 
The point of any government policy is to promote a preferred set of values at the expense of others.

I think what they're trying to do is unwind the main use of SMSFs among the wealthy as simply a tax shelter.
 
The other thing they could be trying to do is to dilute the concentration of wealth (which in the main is a direct result of government policy) in the few - which I actually kind of support.

As long as they also change the system that creates the concentration of wealth in the first place.
 
The other thing they could be trying to do is to dilute the concentration of wealth (which in the main is a direct result of government policy) in the few - which I actually kind of support.

As long as they also change the system that creates the concentration of wealth in the first place.

By making SMSF'ers with over $3M divest out of Super and go buy up property instead?
 
I've read right thru all the postings on this & a Famous Quote by a USA President came to mind & I believe is applicable to AUS

The 9 most dangerous words u will ever hear are - " I'm from the Government & I'm here to help " - Ronald Regan

The Government is a PARASITE on the productive economy/people & they are sucking the very life blood from us.

7 words u will NEVER hear from the Government - " We are going to cut Government spending "

The Superannuation Bill is just another hook to suck more life blood from the People :mad: :(
 
Good political skulduggery, mishandled by Billy Boy with the franking credits but better targeted on this occassion. Akin to the accuracy portrayed in one of those wikileaks videos where a gathering of "terrorists" on a countryside dirt road are "taken out" with no collateral damage to those around.

Only those evil people who worked hard, invested and grew their money will be punished, while the good dole (is that politcally correct or should that now be Centrelink) recipients, who have contributed a negative amount to society, can continue to receive their age pension when it is "due".
 
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