2020 Collapse

You argued economics is not a science in the study of human behaviour yet you provide no evidence to support that claim.

Science is based on methodically recording observations to see if you can see a repeatable pattern or to disprove a theory/idea. Economics as with psychology are based of what people think and tweak data to fit what they are looking for, much like a religion.
 
Science is based on methodically recording observations to see if you can see a repeatable pattern or to disprove a theory/idea. Economics as with psychology are based of what people think and tweak data to fit what they are looking for, much like a religion.

That's your definition of science.

Here's another:

science
sī′əns
noun
  1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
  2. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
  3. A systematic method or body of knowledge in a given area.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/science

Economics is the observation, identification, description, investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena exhibited as humans seek to enhance value. It is a science but not a maths based science, despite how hard Monetarists etc try to make it. The absence or presence of manipulated data is not an essential quality in defining any science. :cool:
 
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" - Mark Twain.

Economists are absolute charlatans.

You can look at weather observations all day on your PC, but maybe it's better to look out the window and see what is actually out there.
 
Not my definition, as the scientific method is not up for interpretations as it's absolute. I suggest not using bastardised resources like wordnik. :eek: Next you will be telling us gender is up for interpretation because it said so on some website.

Your conclusion of what constitutes the definition of science relies upon the faulty premise that if the data can be manipulated it's not science. Sorry mate, all data can be manipulated. That's why definitions are explanations of what something is rather than how that something is used. A spoon is not shovel just because you can dig dirt with it.

Next you will be telling us gender is up for interpretation because it said so on some website.

Nice red herring, that'll get some "likes" from the pearl-clutchers.
 
Last edited:
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" - Mark Twain.

Economists are absolute charlatans.

You can look at weather observations all day on your PC, but maybe it's better to look out the window and see what is actually out there.

Why am I not surprised that's the way you think? :rolleyes:
 
Your conclusion of what constitutes the definition of science relies upon the faulty premise that if the data can be manipulated it's not science.
That's not what I'm saying. It's that the field doesn't seem to have an issue with misleading and massaged data.

Nice red herring, that'll get some "likes" from the pearl-clutchers.

I've got no likes so far... :(
 
Not my definition, as the scientific method is not up for interpretations as it's absolute. I suggest not using bastardised resources like wordnik. :eek: Next you will be telling us gender is up for interpretation because it said so on some website.

How people interpret data is a problem, a BIG one.

I'll use what I know as an example - food.

Say we need to develop a product with a targeted 'overall liking' score of >70/100, which we will know will do well in market based on comparative benchmarking.
Easy example- say our beef pies have a liking score of 75 then the marketing team alerts us that we need to make sure our 'cheese and bacon beef pie' hits 70+.

Now... does 'science' care if we give these pies to the following groups for evaluation:
- Elderly people with no taste buds
- Infants with no recognition of what a pie is
- Europeans or Americans who associate 'pie' with desserts?
- Vegans who associate beef pie with murder

A lot of people focus on the 'sample size' when talking about food scores. Like, 10 people is great but 1000 people is 'way more scientific'.
Sooo... if you got 1000 eldery, infant, Euro, Yank or vegan to taste these pies then it's just going to tell you something (more 'scientifically' powerful, yes) but in the wrong direction. You want to find the motherfuckers who are going to the MCG and paying $8 and gagging for it with or after a pint.

This is where science goes wrong. I don't even need to detail the rest of it. But this is where science can be manipulated. Not a flaw with science itself but how it is deployed, and the potential deceptiveness.

This is why I think a degree in general science is helpful for youth. If you can learn how to screen information then you have an upper hand in a world where science is so manipulated the average punter doesn't have a chance. Hint: It's all targeted to the scientifically illiterate.
 
Last edited:
But this is where science can be manipulated. Not a flaw with science itself but how it is deployed, and the potential deceptiveness.

Science is a tool and like any tool it can be used in a good or bad way. Some industries misuse the tool more than others.

I agree scientific literacy should be a focus in school, but that will never happen as governments hate the idea of the masses being scientifically literate. So it's up to parents, but most parents work full time now and don't have the time needed with the kids.
 
If you can learn how to screen information then you have an upper hand in a world where science is so manipulated the average punter doesn't have a chance. Hint: It's all targeted to the scientifically illiterate.

Huh?

huh-ew.gif
 
I was wondering if it was a modern form of the bread and circus.
Where the Romans watched men and beasts tear each other apart in a Coliseum, we can do the same from home watching on a cell phone with weed and peanut butter cups.
 
Back
Top