First bank moves!

"Westpac ups their rates citing funding costs!"

Way to go Westpac.
Increase interest rates in a Recession/Depression = a collapse for sure.
Just like the FED did in 1929 when they caused the Great Depression by tightening money supply in a recession.

The tightening is here. 12 months ago a person on X $ pa could borrow $900k, now its $700k. I'm seeing property purchase defaults increase in recent months cos a purchaser can't get finance they thought they'd get when they committed to the contract 12+ months ago.

Dark clouds out there, just not sure when and how hard they will hit.
 
True, they should raise rates higher. But it's a start.

Driving up the cost of living is not a good goal.

If interest rates were free to move with the market then I wouldn’t have a problem. But they’re not.

They’re at the mercy of government regulation, legislation and interference, egotistical central planning public servants, dumb-arsed journos, entitleist-minded voters and self-serving politicians.
 
Driving up the cost of living is not a good goal.

Artificially low interest rate is what caused people to speculate on the property market and thus causing the cost of living to increase dramatically.

They’re at the mercy of government regulation, legislation and interference, egotistical central planning public servants, dumb-arsed journos, entitleist-minded voters and self-serving politicians.

Central banks in conjunction with governments is what allowed interest rates to go lower then the free market would have ever allowed.
 
Precisely.

So I don’t celebrate artificial interest rate moves either way under our current fucked up system.
 
Precisely.

So I don’t celebrate artificial interest rate moves either way under our current fucked up system.

The big question is where would the true market price interest rates today? I would guess higher then where they are now.
 
The thing is that no-one is solvent and buying, which means no growth, which is the blood of capitalism. I'll be surprised if government mandates rate rises. Banks are another issue altogether. What I find fascinating is that Westpac has been left to twist in the wind. Pundits say it is the Banking Royal Commission, but I suspect there is a bigger game going on. Considering the international players, anything could be going on, but you can be sure it won't be good for your average punter.
 
The big question is where would the true market price interest rates today?

In order to have a free-market in the premium payable (interest rate) to lend or borrow money, it would be necessary to have some form of sound money to begin with. Something that can’t be deliberately inflated, manipulated or created out of thin air by States. A system that protects the purchasing power of every $ earned.

Under such a market system I would expect interest rates to remain fairly steady and probably fairly low.
 
Ludwig Von Mises on a return to the gold standard and interest rates in an economy operating with sound money.

interest, that is, the discount of future goods as against present goods, is an originary category of human valuation, actual in any kind of human action and independent of any social institutions. The expansionists do not grasp the fact that there never were and there never can be human beings who attach to an apple available in a year or in a hundred years the same value they attach to an apple available now. In their opinion interest is an impediment to the expansion of production and consequently to human welfare that unjustified institutions have created in order to favor the selfish concerns of money lenders. Interest, they say, is the price people must pay for borrowing. Its height therefore depends on the magnitude of the supply of money. If laws did not artificially restrict the creation of additional money, the rate of interest would drop, ultimately even to zero. The "contractionist" pressure would disappear, there would no longer be a shortage of capital, and it would become possible to execute many business projects which the "restrictionism" of the gold standard obstructs.

He continues:

The inevitable eventual failure of any attempt at credit expansion is not caused by the international intertwinement of the lending business. It is the outcome of the fact that it is impossible to substitute fiat money and a bank's circulation credit for non-existing capital goods. Credit expansion initially can produce a boom. But such a boom is bound to end in a slump, in a depression. What bring about the recurrence of periods of economic crises are precisely the reiterated attempts of governments and banks supervised by them to expand credit in order to make business good by cheap interest rates.

What I think Mises is saying is that flooding the market with easy access to artificial money does not replace capital goods that are produced in response to satisfying real human needs and desires. And it is the ever improving productive use of capital goods that enhances wealth, not increasing the money supply to encourage spending.
 
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The tightening is here. 12 months ago a person on X $ pa could borrow $900k, now its $700k. I'm seeing property purchase defaults increase in recent months cos a purchaser can't get finance they thought they'd get when they committed to the contract 12+ months ago.

Dark clouds out there, just not sure when and how hard they will hit.

When money is easy to get and plentiful, everyone's a property tycoon.
When the well starts to look dry, countless people who thought it was easy before will no longer have the clout to get funds. The market has been propped up by these people during the boom, and now they'll vanish.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-06/anz-lifts-variable-mortgate-rates/10208852
ANZ, CBA follow Westpac and lift variable mortgage rates.
ANZ will increase its variable home loan interest rates by 16 basis points, across both owner-occupier and investor mortgages, while CBA's rates will rise by 15 basis points.

These increases are not likely to start a fire-sale as it will increase repayments for P&I borrows $30 to $40 a month more for a $400,000 loan.

But for the few who are struggling with IO loans at the moment and need to roll over to P&O it wont help.

According to CBA, for $400,000 loan fixed for 5 years and rolls over to P&O the repayment goes from $1690 a month, $2380 a month. A jump of $690
 
BANKS’ HEARTLESS MOVE: Australians are getting screwed

THEY make billions and pay their bosses millions, but say they’re struggling. It’s time to get back at the banks for rate rises.

"AUSTRALIA’S major banks post multibillion-dollar profits and employ bosses who take home millions in performance bonuses.

But while their reputations have taken a battering in recent months thanks to a Royal Commission which uncovered a wealth of dodgy practices, their arrogance continues unabated."

https://www.news.com.au/finance/bus...s/news-story/fe2b7a5d749d043204f01ab08314dbb6

Let's cut the crap spouting bodgy numbers and bullsh*t jargon ... stop putting up with their sh*t ... the banks are scum ...
 
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BANKS’ HEARTLESS MOVE: Australians are getting screwed

THEY make billions and pay their bosses millions, but say they’re struggling. It’s time to get back at the banks for rate rises.

"AUSTRALIA’S major banks post multibillion-dollar profits and employ bosses who take home millions in performance bonuses.

But while their reputations have taken a battering in recent months thanks to a Royal Commission which uncovered a wealth of dodgy practices, their arrogance continues unabated."

https://www.news.com.au/finance/bus...s/news-story/fe2b7a5d749d043204f01ab08314dbb6

Let's cut the crap spouting bodgy numbers and bullsh*t jargon ... stop putting up with their sh*t ... the banks are scum ...

You need to start a revolution to stop people borrowing money from the banks.
People need to grow a pair and save until they can pay cash, and give the banks the middle finger.
 
You need to start a revolution to stop people borrowing money from the banks.
People need to grow a pair and save until they can pay cash, and give the banks the middle finger.

Maybe it will take a revolution ... maybe it will take an education ... maybe we need another way ... and print public money without interest .... instead of the fraudulent debt driven system that serves the cabal ...

 
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