If you also think gold is better than Bitcoin...

This is an old video with very strong points on Bitcoin's flaws:


...and while the blockchain technology is a great invention, I'm afraid Bitcoin is a pump-and-dump speculative asset whose price is driven by greed, not a real economic activity.

Yes, the market cap of Bitcoin is huge, but its real use is minimal. You can barely find a way/place to buy anything with it DIRECTLY. Most Bitcoin purchases run through exchanges: the buyer's Bitcoins go through intermediaries/exchanges, which in the end pay the seller with fiat money.

If Bitcoin had more wide-spread DIRECT use: e.g. transactions for homes etc., it could have a better future.

Gold is better than Bitcoin - watch gold: it's more stable, a lot more than Bitcoin during Bitcoin's up-and-down pump-and-dump fluctuations.

Intrinsic value, use for jewelry etc.

Gold won't go anywhere near zero. Bitcoin crashed drammatically in the past. It can go to zero.
I think Bitcoin depends on mass-madness nowadays, it's fashion-driven.

You can't lose your gold unless someone steals it from you or, if you physically lose it.

I am not sure gold couldn't reach Bitcoin's price level in a real crisis.

What do you think? Is gold better than Bitcoin as a safe haven/value preservation asset?

My question is, where the hell can you use it in Australia ????? Bitcoin is not accepted everywhere, so it's no good to me as money. All I know about it, is that some people mine it using software using lots of electricity, and the price is going through the roof. I totally agree with this video.
 
In 1969 I heard my parents talking about "buying Poseidon" but they couldn't afford to lose any money, so no investment. That was when an inside tip to "buy" was at $35. (about half my dad's weekly wage at the time). We watched in amazement as the price went to over $100 and then just kept climbing. One family acquaintance was doing very well having given "the tip" and who'd bought in somewhere round $10-20 apparently (the shares started out in the 70c range from memory). I don't know if his fortune fell when Poseidon collapsed, but many rode it up and down, and many just bought in at the hundreds of dollars price and lost it all. Trading was suspended and reality resumed.

Which is my take on Crypto. Go to the casino if you want, there's probably a fortune to be made, but keep in mind how much you're prepared to lose.

The Poseidon bubble was a stock market bubble in which the price of Australian mining shares soared in late 1969, then crashed in early 1970. It was triggered by the Poseidon NL company's discovery of a promising site for nickel mining in September 1969.

In the late 1960s, nickel was in high demand due to the Vietnam War,[1] but there was a shortage of supply due to industrial action against the major Canadian supplier Inco. These factors pushed the price of nickel to record levels, peaking at around £7,000/ton on the London market early in November 1969.[2] In September 1969, the mining company Poseidon NL made a major nickel discovery at Windarra in the Shire of Laverton, Western Australia. In early September their shares had been trading at $0.80, but as information about the discovery was released, the price rose until it was trading at $12.30 on October 1. After this, very little further information came to light, but the price continued to climb due to speculation; at one point, a UK broker suggested a value of up to $382 a share.

The price of Poseidon shares quickly became too high for many investors, so some turned to other nickel stocks, stocks in other mines near Windarra, and eventually other mining stocks in general. As the price of mining shares grew, new companies were listed by promoters looking to cash in. Mining stocks peaked in January 1970, then immediately crashed. Poseidon shares peaked at an intraday high of $280 in February 1970, and fell rapidly thereafter.

By the time Poseidon actually started producing nickel, the price of nickel had fallen. Also, the nickel ore was of a lower grade than originally thought, so extraction costs were higher. Profits from the mine were not sufficient to keep Poseidon afloat, and in 1976 it delisted. Western Mining then took over the mine, operating it until 1991.

In 1974, The Rae Committee handed down its report on the Poseidon bubble, in which it documented numerous cases of improper trade practices. It recommended a number of changes to the regulation of stock markets, which ultimately led to Australia's national companies and securities legislation.[3][4]

In the late 1980s, Robert Champion de Crespigny took over the Poseidon Company and it became part of Normandy Mining, the largest gold miner in Australia. In 2001 Normandy Mining, including Poseidon, was taken over by the Newmont Mining Corporation, which also at that time acquired Canadian company Franco-Nevada. The acquisitions made Newmont the world's largest producer of gold at that time.[5]

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Gold has dropped about 6 percent since touching a one-year high on Sept. 8, cutting this year’s gain to 11 percent.
Bitcoin jumped more than seven fold this year and more than 13 times the advance of the best-performing commodity tracked by Bloomberg.

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^ yeah that's why it's the biggest ponzi scheme backed by nothing. Well done to all those that capitalized off it and converted profits to something tangible.
 
No offence skyrocket but you really need to research and understand what a Ponzi actually is, what is happening with BTC has nothing to do with a Ponzi. Two examples you could research are the original by Charles Ponzi or the biggest and most recent to my recollection being Bernie Madoff's
 
No offence skyrocket but you really need to research and understand what a Ponzi actually is, what is happening with BTC has nothing to do with a Ponzi. Two examples you could research are the original by Charles Ponzi or the biggest and most recent to my recollection being Bernie Madoff's

BTC is a ponzi and we can revisit this thread/post within a few years to see who is right.
 
BTC is a ponzi and we can revisit this thread/post within a few years to see who is right.

Hmm, I guess you can add that to this chart then:

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BTC is a ponzi and we can revisit this thread/post within a few years to see who is right.

No need to wait a few years as you are wrong right now. You CLEARLY don't understand what a Ponzi actually is.
If you had of called "fake" or "scam" we wouldnt be having this discussion.

A ponzi is a type of scam but not all scams are ponzi's. If btc is even a scam it certainly isnt a Ponzi. If you had of bothered researching what I provided you would know this.
As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Essentially all you are doing is trolling now by choosing to ignore evidence contrary to your opinion. Billy would be disappointed in you. ;)
 
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What goes up must come down, and that also applies to cryptocurrencies. As with everything in life ( investment wise ) you have to be lucky to choose the investment that will make good returns. That is, know when to buy ( low hopefully ) and know when to sell ( when the price is high hopefully ). It's all a game of winners and losers. Good luck to you if you've made good returns, maybe now is the time to put that money to good use elsewhere.
 
IMO, If it possible to play and trade in both, i will do so. But never i will put any of my core savings to Bitcoins.
Those in form of gold in my hands hate to exchange them to trade in bitcoins. Bitcoins that in my hand, i will convert them to Gold.
 
No need to wait a few years as you are wrong right now. You CLEARLY don't understand what a Ponzi actually is.
If you had of called "fake" or "scam" we wouldnt be having this discussion.

A ponzi is a type of scam but not all scams are ponzi's. If btc is even a scam it certainly isnt a Ponzi. If you had of bothered researching what I provided you would know this.
As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Essentially all you are doing is trolling now by choosing to ignore evidence contrary to your opinion. Billy would be disappointed in you. ;)

See how BTC and other crytpo's do in the next GFC.

And I had to give you a like for mentioning Billy ;)
 
See how BTC and other crytpo's do in the next GFC.
If another GFC came it would most probably crash just like shares did. The All Ords crashed 55% at the worst point. Everyone will be scrambling for cash and take it from anywhere they can.

In the mean time I keep a couple of K in my cryptos. It is very easy to buy and sell bullion with. What I do is let it run up in value and then I buy some bullion and bring it back down again, essentially lowering my entry price each time.

My hope and wish is that eventually it will all settle down to just a handful of cryptos and form a new stable world currency that can be used for buying goods anywhere, anytime without interference's from governments, exchange rates or excessive fees. Right now Bitcoin fees are out of control and transactions are taking longer, needs to be sorted.
 
Bitcoin is a fantastic self-perpetuating, self-growing pseudo-asset. In other words: a bubble-blowing mechanism. Probably the biggest bubble the world has ever seen.

But if there's no real economic force behind it, but only exists for the sake of speculation then we will see the reverse of this "growth" phenomenon as well.

Most people you'll encounter on forums or in media are either buying it "because it'll go up" or "to get rich" or "to invest" or any other version of it.

There's really not much else to do with it.

If the Fed/IMF/China/BRICS came up with their own globally-recognized cryptocurrency... and if they invested billions of dollars in it... that would be BIG!
 
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Measuring Bitcoin's value in USD proves the fact that people are after dollars, in the end.

And more: when speculators sell their Bitcoins, it will indeed generate a demand for fiat money (USD/EUR/etc.) and will contribute to the velocity of that particular currency.
 
It is amusing to hear people arguing about this without understanding what they're talking about.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Gold is a store of wealth. Bitcoin was designed to be a currency but has mutated into a speculative asset. They are worlds apart and comparisons are ridiculous.
 
Sorry, should I have said this instead?

1 Bitcoin is now worth 6 oz of gold!
 
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